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Author Topic:   Old Habits Die Hard (The "mark" on Cain)
doctrbill
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Message 10 of 16 (45803)
07-11-2003 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by tabularasa
07-09-2003 12:37 AM


Just read through this short thread and am glad to see the overwhelmingly skeptical response to the idea of Cain and or Ham being black skinned. As Tabularasa has suggested, and others supported, it is both bio-illogical and biblically illiterate.
I have seen black couples produce lighter skinned offspring but never the other way 'round. The genetic code for dark skin is more complex than that for white skin. Lack of melanin increases the risk of skin cancer and probably represents a genetic defect.
By the way, it was not Ham who was cursed. It was his son Canaan. He was cursed for raping his grandfather, Noah. If you read the text carefully (and between the lines) you will notice this.
The Israeli's have spent the better part of three thousand years trying to exterminate the descendents of Canaan. The whole story of the curse is probably a fabrication fed to young soldiers in order to whip up some loathing for the women and children they were about to butcher. If these people were descendents of a homosexual rapist, then they didn't deserve to live. See?
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doctrbill
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Message 13 of 16 (47795)
07-28-2003 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Agent Uranium [GPC]
07-25-2003 12:19 PM


Agent Uranium writes:
I thought God cursed Ham because Noah ended up pissed as a fairy after surviving the flood (read: drunk) and his sons took him to bed. Ham accidentally saw his father's genitals and this, for some reason, caused God to treat him as a bad man. Lord knows why.
Actually, it was Canaan who was cursed. Genesis 9:24,25
A linguistic and contextual analysis suggests that Noah was raped by his grandson. Note that the text says, "younger" or "youngest son." But Ham was not the youngest son, he was the oldest. Turns out that the Hebrew expression here is qatan - little, as in little son; i.e. grandson which, indeed, Canaan was. And the expression, "look upon the nakedness" is a euphemistic metaphor of "have sex with," in which the Hebrew word rendered "naked" is derived from a root meaning bed. Compare this to the unabashed nakedness of Adam and Eve, where the word for naked is derived from a root having the sense of nudist, and always used in a context free from moral judgement.
I am skeptical regarding the veracity of this tale considering how important it was for the Hebrew people to demonize the descendants of Canaan: The Canaanites. What better way to whip your troops into a killing frenzy than to tell them, "Your enemy's grandfather raped our great grandfather"?
The Curse of Ham, is a persistent myth; evidence of the marginal literacy of American Sunday School dropouts.
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Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?

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doctrbill
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Message 14 of 16 (47797)
07-28-2003 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Agent Uranium [GPC]
07-25-2003 12:19 PM


Agent Uranium [GPC]
I just noticed that I had posted something along the same lines earlier in this slow moving thread. Oh well, now you have a bit more detail.
BTW AU, When you post without linking to the thread, your post can get lost in the shuffle when people trace backward. For example, I cannot be sure which message you were responding to in your post (#11).
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