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bluegenes
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Message 1 of 13 (478110)
08-12-2008 6:30 AM


Canadians show that they are clearly less superstitious and better informed on average than their continental neighbours south of the border.
quote:
An Angus Reid online poll shows 58% of Canucks think humans evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years, and 22% believe God created people in their present form within the last 10,000 years.
Things look good for the future:
quote:
About two-thirds of respondents aged 15-34 believe in evolution, but only 51% of those over 55 accept it.
I don't find the difference between the college educated and others particularly surprising, but the gender difference must raise some eyebrows. If men are at 69%, women must be at 47% pro-evolution.
quote:
Men (69%) and those with at least one university degree (71%) were more inclined to buy into evolution, while people from Alberta (40%) and members of the Conservative Party (29%) back creationism the most.
From: Toronto Sun Aug. 6th 2008

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 2 of 13 (478274)
08-13-2008 2:14 PM
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08-12-2008 6:30 AM


troll thread, but i like to play along.
Canadians show that they are clearly less superstitious and better informed on average than their continental neighbours south of the border.
if you say so. they are still subjects to your queen. i dont know if that is superstitios or not but it doesn't really make any sense either.

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Message 3 of 13 (478282)
08-13-2008 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Artemis Entreri
08-13-2008 2:14 PM


Why is this a troll thread? I see no trolling from bluegenes.
Artemis writes:
if you say so. they are still subjects to your queen. i dont know if that is superstitios or not
Are you saying youre not sure if the queen exists?

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 4 of 13 (478348)
08-14-2008 2:18 PM
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08-13-2008 3:28 PM


Why is this a troll thread? I see no trolling from bluegenes.
Talking shit about Americans, to Americans will elict a response, but rarely the kind of response that you want unless you are trolling.
Are you saying youre not sure if the queen exists?
If you dont know I cant help you.

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Message 5 of 13 (478349)
08-14-2008 2:27 PM
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08-14-2008 2:18 PM


Talking shit about Americans, to Americans will elict a response
Sorry, are you arguing that the US has a smaller percentage of population that believes in Young Earth Creationism than Canada? Or are you arguing that being a YEC doesn't mean that one is superstitious or 'less informed'?

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bluegenes
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Message 6 of 13 (478353)
08-14-2008 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Artemis Entreri
08-14-2008 2:18 PM


Artemis writes:
Talking shit about Americans, to Americans will elict a response, but rarely the kind of response that you want unless you are trolling.
This is a website called EvC forum. This particular section is called "Creation/Evolution In The News". The O.P. is about a news story concerning a poll of Canadians on the subject of Creation and Evolution.
One obviously interesting point considering the geographical and cultural proximity of the two countries is that the percentage of Canadians who are ignorant and superstitious enough to believe that the world is less than 10,000 years old is about half that of Americans.
The high level of superstition in the U.S. relative to other "first world" countries is well known, and the many thinking, scientific, intelligent American EvC members are unlikely to be offended by someone referring to their superstitious brethren as being "superstitious", because it's an accurate description.
So, what's your problem?

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 7 of 13 (478383)
08-14-2008 6:00 PM
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08-14-2008 2:44 PM


maybe saying it again, this time adding "ignorant" to it will make me understand [SARCASM].
keep trolling, it make this place more fun.

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bluegenes
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Message 8 of 13 (478385)
08-14-2008 6:10 PM
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08-14-2008 6:00 PM


Artemis Entreri writes:
maybe saying it again, this time adding "ignorant" to it will make me understand
I thought it might be a word you're familiar with.

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onifre
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Message 9 of 13 (478388)
08-14-2008 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Artemis Entreri
08-14-2008 6:00 PM


I too am an American and sadly, if we trust in poll results, most Americans do NOT believe in evolution.
Heres a link to the most recent poll I was able to find,
Page Not Found
quote:
According to a Newsweek poll done in march of 2007:
Only 13% of Americans believe in naturalistic evolution (that is that God had no part in evolution)
However, 48% of Americans believe that God created "humans pretty much in the present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so"
30% of Americans took the middle ground responding that they believed "Humans developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process"
9% remained unsure.
Religious influence has been muted in Euro nations, we are going through this now in the US. If you take the 13% that understand evolution and combine that with the 30% that understand evolution but just think God guided it, you have 43%. Now come on that is not that fuckin bad considering we have the Trinity Broadcast Network...
http://www.tbn.org/
...in this country that has 1.5 million viewers a week!!!
Its a slow process that takes generations to change...have faith Euro guys we'll catch up, we're the US for fucks sake...BTW, how are those gold medals coming along Brits?

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bluegenes
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Message 10 of 13 (478407)
08-15-2008 12:27 AM
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08-14-2008 8:05 PM


onifre writes:
Now come on that is not that fuckin bad considering we have the Trinity Broadcast Network...
It's the worst in the "first world" which is why it raises eyebrows, because it's a "second world" result. In "third world" countries, you can get results like more than 90% not believing that they descend from other animals. Superstition thrives on poverty and/or poverty thrives on superstition and/or both thrive on ignorance!
BTW, how are those gold medals coming along Brits?
Slowly, as usual, I suspect, although I haven't been following. If you want to run a competition between the English speaking countries, it's a forgone conclusion that the Aussies will win. (Remember to adjust for population figures - you can't expect 3 million New Zealanders to actually get more medals than 300 million Americans!). If you do adjust for population, the U.S. and the U.K. are both pretty average in all the Olympics that I can remember.
In the future, we'll probably be watching China proudly topping the medals list, and its media, like the U.S. media in the past, will not be emphasising the fact that they're doing it by sheer weight of numbers.
I'm always pointing out population figures to flag waving patriots in my own country. For example, England in the last world cup (soccer) played five countries whose combined population was less than ours, and got knocked out by the largest, Portugal. Nothing to wave a flag about (as usual, in our sports).
But we do know the Australians from bitter experience at cricket and rugby, and they'll win a medals per head of population competition of English speakers unless a small Caribbean Island happens to have one or two top sprinters, which sometimes happens.
Apologies for going off my own topic.

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Message 11 of 13 (478442)
08-15-2008 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by onifre
08-14-2008 8:05 PM


A poll of Poles?
The real reason these polls always come out this way is that they never include a very important fifth option: "I actually have never given this issue two seconds thought in my entire life because I really don't give a fuck." If it were included, I suspect that this option would garner about 90% of the votes.
It would be interesting if the pollsters also included the question: "Do you consider this issue important enough in your life that you have given it some thought and at some time have actually read a book about it?" I would like to see how the responses to this question correlated with those to the other questions.
Another important issue: if it is true that all pollsters come from Poland, that analyzing the data may present a challenge to them.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 12 of 13 (478446)
08-15-2008 1:03 PM
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08-15-2008 12:27 AM


In the future, we'll probably be watching China proudly topping the medals list, and its media, like the U.S. media in the past, will not be emphasising the fact that they're doing it by sheer weight of numbers.
LOL that would make sense if we entered 10 swimmers into one event and you entered 1.
Apologies for going off my own topic.
you got busted once for trolling this week by admin (something that is not on my resume). you are a troll it is to be expected.

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onifre
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Message 13 of 13 (478463)
08-15-2008 5:01 PM
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08-15-2008 12:27 AM


It's the worst in the "first world" which is why it raises eyebrows, because it's a "second world" result.
I agree...
If you do adjust for population, the U.S. and the U.K. are both pretty average in all the Olympics that I can remember.
Well wait, if we can adjust for population percentage in the Olympics, then lets do that for the lack of belief in evolution.
Lets run those numbers, with your percentage curve.
*300 million Americans.
*43% believe we evolved (that includes those who think God was needed at the beginning, but its about evolution not origin)
New results,
*120 million Americans believe in evolution.
Canadian population 34 million.
*56% believe we evolved.
Results,
*19 million Canadians believe in evolution.
The US wins by sheer numbers again!

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
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