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Buzsaw
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Message 121 of 352 (478479)
08-15-2008 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Rahvin
08-15-2008 12:46 PM


The Tailbone Factor
Rahvin writes:
Why would a designer of any sort include a tailbone for an organism that doesn't have a tail, particularly one so small as ours that you can't even see it through the flesh?
I can't speak for the designer, but if it were me relative to this tailbone controversy, I'd call it my signature on the body which is to signify that it's my work.
Then too, there's the backbone spinal cord. It's got to have a designed end to it. For the tailed animals, it's the tail. For others, it's the finial end of the cord. Why end the cord with a segment of vulnerable vertebre? Why not cap it off nicely as the designer has done?
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Coyote
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Message 122 of 352 (478481)
08-15-2008 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Buzsaw
08-15-2008 10:19 PM


Re: The Tailbone Factor
I can't speak for the designer, but if it were me relative to this tailbone controversy, I'd call it my signature on the body which is to signify that it's my work.
Then too, there's the backbone spinal cord. It's got to have a designed end to it. For the tailed animals, it's the tail. For others, it's the finial end of the cord. Why end the cord with a segment of vulnerable vertebre? Why not cap it off nicely as the designer has done?
It makes a lot more sense viewed from the evolutionary standpoint. As does everything else so far.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Buzsaw
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Message 123 of 352 (478482)
08-15-2008 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by lyx2no
08-15-2008 11:27 AM


Re: Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
lyx2no writes:
You're still arguing one side of the dilemma at a time. Those reasons, whatever they were, weren't too nice. You've got to make Him nice at the same time you make Him competent. Capisci?
Nice and competent; extraordinarily so, to his own beloved who conform; incompetent and oppressive to the antagonist rebels.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 124 of 352 (478483)
08-15-2008 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Coyote
08-15-2008 10:34 PM


Re: The Tailbone Factor
Coyote writes:
It makes a lot more sense viewed from the evolutionary standpoint. As does everything else so far.
Not really more sense. It just goes to show that what is observed can be interpreted more than one way.
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lyx2no
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Message 125 of 352 (478486)
08-15-2008 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Buzsaw
08-15-2008 10:41 PM


Explain ” Not Assert
Nice and competent; extraordinarily so, to his own beloved who conform; incompetent and oppressive to the antagonist rebels.
Does it not bother you to say such stupid things in a world where your God denied his kindness to so many Jewish children not so long ago. AbE: Not to diminish the 30,000 children who die miserably everyday.
Even the Devil is kind to his friends.
Did you missed the bit about explaining instead of merely asserting back in message 98, or are you unable to say anything but "Is too"?
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Edited by lyx2no, : Better choice of words.

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Buzsaw
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Message 126 of 352 (478504)
08-16-2008 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by lyx2no
08-15-2008 11:42 PM


Re: Explain ” Not Assert
lyx2no writes:
Does it not bother you to say such stupid things in a world where your God denied his kindness to so many Jewish children not so long ago. AbE: Not to diminish the 30,000 children who die miserably everyday.
Even the Devil is kind to his friends.
The Devil? The heavenly rebel who, with his rebel angels have effected the diminishment of the Edenic humans designed to live forever; who corrupted most of the humans on earth so as to effect the necessity of the global flood; who have demonized and deterioriated divinely designed humans to what we are today and who have instigated warfare, corruption and apostacy from truth globally?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Agobot
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Message 127 of 352 (478505)
08-16-2008 9:04 AM


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Agobot
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Message 128 of 352 (478506)
08-16-2008 9:05 AM


Provoking the designer
The title of the thread "Why is the intelligent designer such an idiot?" got me thinking. Could we try to provoke god to show its existence by punishing us? Name calling and insults have been proven to produce no results or simply god is not affected or offended by our insults(I'd gladly participate in a 100 000 participants protest against god with a slogan - "God you are a liar and a murderer!"). If there is a god and he takes notice of our mass rally againts him, wouldn't he try to punish us as he supposedly did to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament, by sending earthquakes and blazing fires to the cities? Just for reference - all the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah(save 1 - named Lot) were raping humans and animals indiscriminate of the location - even in churches(according to the bible).
How many of you would be willing to participate in such a protest and could a no reaction by god eventually turn the religious to science?
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Buzsaw
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Message 129 of 352 (478515)
08-16-2008 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Agobot
08-16-2008 9:05 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
Agobot writes:
The title of the thread "Why is the intelligent designer such an idiot?" got me thinking. Could we try to provoke god to show its existence by punishing us? Name calling and insults have been proven to produce no results or simply god is not affected or offended by our insults(I'd gladly participate in a 100 000 participants protest against god with a slogan - "God you are a liar and a murderer!"). If there is a god and he takes notice of our mass rally againts him, wouldn't he try to punish us as he supposedly did to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament, by sending earthquakes and blazing fires to the cities? Just for reference - all the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah(save 1 - named Lot) were raping humans and animals indiscriminate of the location - even in churches(according to the bible).
How many of you would be willing to participate in such a protest and could a no reaction by god eventually turn the religious to science?
An already robust host of folks are joining an ongoing protest/rebellion/apostacy already as prophesied for the latter days, including vocal blasphemy and attributing his work of designed creation to natural and random processes. Then there's homosexuality, adultery, fornication, disobedience to parents, evil speaking, murders, thefts, lies, false doctrines, covetousness, love of money, violence etc. These all, like a smoldering volcanoe are leading up to the days of God's wrath, emerging upon the planet as prophesied by OT and NT Biblical prophets.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Agobot
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Message 130 of 352 (478518)
08-16-2008 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Buzsaw
08-16-2008 2:50 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Buzsaw writes:
An already robust host of folks are joining an ongoing protest/rebellion/apostacy already as prophesied for the latter days, including vocal blasphemy and attributing his work of designed creation to natural and random processes. Then there's homosexuality, adultery, fornication, disobedience to parents, evil speaking, murders, thefts, lies, false doctrines, covetousness, love of money, violence etc. These all, like a smoldering volcanoe are leading up to the days of God's wrath, emerging upon the planet as prophesied by OT and NT Biblical prophets.
Then who's gonna stay alive? I don't see anyone righteous enough that could win the graces of god. What does it matter if the wrath of god kills us now instead of dying naturally after 30 or 40 years?
He will murder us ALL anyway, so why bother??

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Rahvin
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Message 131 of 352 (478519)
08-16-2008 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Buzsaw
08-16-2008 2:50 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
An already robust host of folks are joining an ongoing protest/rebellion/apostacy already as prophesied for the latter days, including vocal blasphemy and attributing his work of designed creation to natural and random processes. Then there's homosexuality, adultery, fornication, disobedience to parents, evil speaking, murders, thefts, lies, false doctrines, covetousness, love of money, violence etc. These all, like a smoldering volcanoe are leading up to the days of God's wrath, emerging upon the planet as prophesied by OT and NT Biblical prophets.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Take your addle-brained ultra-repressive "dissent is evil" ant-critical-thinking religeous ranting somewhere else.
Is your response to all of the posts in this thread really just "Oh yeah?! Well God's gonna GET you!!!"
Fuck off.

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bluescat48
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Message 132 of 352 (478520)
08-16-2008 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Buzsaw
08-16-2008 2:50 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Buzsaw says
An already robust host of folks are joining an ongoing protest/rebellion/apostacy already as prophesied for the latter days, including vocal blasphemy and attributing his work of designed creation to natural and random processes. Then there's homosexuality, adultery, fornication, disobedience to parents, evil speaking, murders, thefts, lies, false doctrines, covetousness, love of money, violence etc. These all, like a smoldering volcanoe are leading up to the days of God's wrath, emerging upon the planet as prophesied by OT and NT Biblical prophets.
Considering all of the above has been going on since the beginning of civilization, why should it be any different now? If there was a designer, he, she or it couldn't design a legitmate paper bag.

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Buzsaw
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Message 133 of 352 (478524)
08-16-2008 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Rahvin
08-16-2008 4:04 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Rahvin writes:
This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
Take your addle-brained ultra-repressive "dissent is evil" ant-critical-thinking religeous ranting somewhere else.
Is your response to all of the posts in this thread really just "Oh yeah?! Well God's gonna GET you!!!"
Fuck off.
My message was about provoking the designer and the decline of humanity from the designer's model. One man and woman were designed and created. They were created perfect and not to die. The rest of humanity procreated from the original pair which despite the fall, lived many centuries until nearly all of them teed off the designer to the point of near annihilation and shorter lifespan for the survivors and their descendent's.
Beginning with the first couple, it was departure from the creator's law which effected deterioration of procreated humans bringing on death, shorter lives and sickness etc.
The designer was no idiot. Idiotic behavior of the creature and attitude of the creature to the designing creator has been the problem with mankind.
OTO, it was your message which was off topic. There's another forum and thread for airing your complaints.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Coyote
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Message 134 of 352 (478525)
08-16-2008 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Buzsaw
08-16-2008 6:57 PM


Your's is not the only designer
One man and woman were designed and created.
Your's is not the only designer. And there is just as much evidence for the designer in the following Central California Indian creation story as any other (i.e., none):
The Creation of Men and Women

When the world was finished, there were as yet no people, but the Bald Eagle was chief of the animals. He saw that the world was incomplete and decided to make some human beings. So he took some clay and modeled the figure of a man and laid him on the ground. At first he was very small but he grew rapidly until he reached normal size. But as yet he had no life; he was still asleep. Then the Bald Eagle stood and admired his work. "It is impossible," he said, "that he should be left alone; he must have a mate." So he pulled out a feather and laid it beside the sleeping man. Then he left them and went off a short distance, for he knew that a woman was being formed from the feather. But the man was still asleep and did not know what was happening. When the Bald Eagle decided that the woman was about completed, he returned, awoke the man by flapping his wings over him and flew away.
The man opened his eyes and stared at the woman. "What does this mean?" he asked. "I thought I was alone!" Then the Bald Eagle returned and said with a smile, "I see you have a mate! Have you had intercourse with her?" "No," replied he man, for he and the woman knew nothing about each other. Then the Bald Eagle called to Coyote who happened to be going by and said to him, "Do you see that woman? Try her first!" Coyote was quite willing and complied, but immediately afterwards lay down and died. The Bald Eagle went away and left Coyote dead, but presently returned and revived him. "How did it work?" said the Bald Eagle. "Pretty well, but it nearly kills a man!" replied Coyote. "Will you try it again?" said the Bald Eagle. Coyote agreed, and tried again, and this time survived. Then the Bald Eagle turned to the man and said, "She is all right now; you and she are to live together.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Agobot
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Message 135 of 352 (478526)
08-16-2008 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Buzsaw
08-16-2008 6:57 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Buzsaw writes:
Beginning with the first couple, it was departure from the creator's law which effected deterioration of procreated humans bringing on death, shorter lives and sickness etc.
I love this part about the all loving god taking revenge on us humans. Doesn't that imply that god is a sadistic vindictive and cruel deity for inflicting so much pain on us? If, as you say, god is bringing death, shorter lives and sickness, why on earth does your religion need to have a devil? Isn't that devil's territory? Where is the boundery?

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