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Author Topic:   Why is the Intelligent Designer so inept?
Buzsaw
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Message 126 of 352 (478504)
08-16-2008 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by lyx2no
08-15-2008 11:42 PM


Re: Explain ” Not Assert
lyx2no writes:
Does it not bother you to say such stupid things in a world where your God denied his kindness to so many Jewish children not so long ago. AbE: Not to diminish the 30,000 children who die miserably everyday.
Even the Devil is kind to his friends.
The Devil? The heavenly rebel who, with his rebel angels have effected the diminishment of the Edenic humans designed to live forever; who corrupted most of the humans on earth so as to effect the necessity of the global flood; who have demonized and deterioriated divinely designed humans to what we are today and who have instigated warfare, corruption and apostacy from truth globally?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 129 of 352 (478515)
08-16-2008 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Agobot
08-16-2008 9:05 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
Agobot writes:
The title of the thread "Why is the intelligent designer such an idiot?" got me thinking. Could we try to provoke god to show its existence by punishing us? Name calling and insults have been proven to produce no results or simply god is not affected or offended by our insults(I'd gladly participate in a 100 000 participants protest against god with a slogan - "God you are a liar and a murderer!"). If there is a god and he takes notice of our mass rally againts him, wouldn't he try to punish us as he supposedly did to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament, by sending earthquakes and blazing fires to the cities? Just for reference - all the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah(save 1 - named Lot) were raping humans and animals indiscriminate of the location - even in churches(according to the bible).
How many of you would be willing to participate in such a protest and could a no reaction by god eventually turn the religious to science?
An already robust host of folks are joining an ongoing protest/rebellion/apostacy already as prophesied for the latter days, including vocal blasphemy and attributing his work of designed creation to natural and random processes. Then there's homosexuality, adultery, fornication, disobedience to parents, evil speaking, murders, thefts, lies, false doctrines, covetousness, love of money, violence etc. These all, like a smoldering volcanoe are leading up to the days of God's wrath, emerging upon the planet as prophesied by OT and NT Biblical prophets.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 133 of 352 (478524)
08-16-2008 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Rahvin
08-16-2008 4:04 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Rahvin writes:
This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
Take your addle-brained ultra-repressive "dissent is evil" ant-critical-thinking religeous ranting somewhere else.
Is your response to all of the posts in this thread really just "Oh yeah?! Well God's gonna GET you!!!"
Fuck off.
My message was about provoking the designer and the decline of humanity from the designer's model. One man and woman were designed and created. They were created perfect and not to die. The rest of humanity procreated from the original pair which despite the fall, lived many centuries until nearly all of them teed off the designer to the point of near annihilation and shorter lifespan for the survivors and their descendent's.
Beginning with the first couple, it was departure from the creator's law which effected deterioration of procreated humans bringing on death, shorter lives and sickness etc.
The designer was no idiot. Idiotic behavior of the creature and attitude of the creature to the designing creator has been the problem with mankind.
OTO, it was your message which was off topic. There's another forum and thread for airing your complaints.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 139 of 352 (478539)
08-16-2008 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Agobot
08-16-2008 7:24 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Agobot writes:
I love this part about the all loving god taking revenge on us humans. Doesn't that imply that god is a sadistic vindictive and cruel deity for inflicting so much pain on us? If, as you say, god is bringing death, shorter lives and sickness, why on earth does your religion need to have a devil? Isn't that devil's territory? Where is the boundery?
Free choice designed into the intelligent creatures, both celestial and earthly. The omnipotent and omniscient designer always remains supreme effecting eventual good from the choices creatures make. Satan and his angels/demons know their time is short.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 144 of 352 (478547)
08-17-2008 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Granny Magda
08-17-2008 12:30 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
Since all are procreated (not created) we inherit effects of what came before. Thus all the warnings from the designer along the way. Ignore the designer and your descendent's suffer. Don't blame the designer.
It's like the blessings of America such as freedom, prosperity, justice etc. We ignore the principles which brought them about and we loose them for us and our descendants.
Don't blame the auto maker if you ignore the instruction manual regarding servicing the product.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 146 of 352 (478549)
08-17-2008 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Coyote
08-17-2008 12:25 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
Coyote writes:
The pain mechanism should have told you that by itself. There is no dimmer switch! Talk about a Rube Goldberg device.
Thankfully so. If symptoms were dimable, nothing would be done to fix the damage. Also the weak of the species would survive to corrupt the offspring.
Coyote writes:
You talk about breathing and eating with the same tube? How about routing half of waste disposal system through the pleasure centers? Freshman in shop class would be flunked for that one.
You're not making good sense here. Why encumber the system with unnecessary tubes and apparatus when functions can be combined. This is argument for the wonders of design and glory to the omniscient designer.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 158 of 352 (480164)
09-01-2008 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Granny Magda
08-17-2008 2:23 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Granny Magda writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Ignore the designer and your descendent's suffer. Don't blame the designer.
But why not? The designer is the one who set all this in motion. He is the one who designed these tortures. He is the one who choose to visit the punishments upon the sinned-against as well as the sinner. He is the one who specifically designed cystic fibrosis, so that he might torture innocents with it.
1. That's like blaming GM or Ford Motor Co for what goes wrong with your Chevy or Ford when you ignore everything that the owner's manual prescribes. Most of our illnesses are due to un-natural living which subjects the body to disease, deterioration and death.
2. The wonder is that in spite of the degree of punishment we humans foolishly or accidentally subject our digestive systems and other body functions to, our wonderfully designed immune systems and other intricate functions repair injury and disease to accomplish amazing feats in healing and restoration of health.
GM and Ford, as intelligent as their designing engineers are, fall way short of our designer's inbuilt health restoration mechanisms.
3. You people think that all of the amazing biological wonders just happen randomly and naturally achieving what the combined expertise of all of GM and Ford's intelligent engineers can't begin to match.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 162 of 352 (480182)
09-01-2008 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by DrJones*
09-01-2008 9:39 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
DrJones writes:
And what owner's manual do we have for the human body?
The designer's Biblical moral, cultural and social principles, set forth in the Bible/creature's operator manual, relate to what is best for body, mind and soul.
A few examples:
1. Parents require that children obey to become wise and safe.
2. Treat others as you would have them treat you.
3. Healthful sexual guidelines
4. Quarantine transmittable diseases.
5. Hygienic principles
6. Work, exercise and Sabbath rest
7. Care of orphans, widows, travelers/sojourners, etc
8. Warnings about alcohol abuse, gluttony/overeating etc.
9. Specifics about some foods as to preferences conducive to optimum health, such as the Daniel simple diet being superior to the king's meats and delicacies. (see the first chapters of Daniel)
10. Soil conservation procedures such as resting the land periodically and composting waste etc so as to insure the quality of food for man and beast.
11. Warnings against riotous living, rowdiness keeping bad company, etc. The Proverbs are full of these type of warnings on various social, cultural, hygienic, health and other counts conducive to long life, prosperity and the good life void of trouble and disease mentally and physically.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 164 of 352 (480190)
09-01-2008 11:03 AM


Survival Of Fittest For Preservation Of Life
The fittest of the designer's creatures will be the survivors to propagate the species. If what is not designed for longevity of the species ceases to be available or applied, the sooner the species will die.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 165 of 352 (480197)
09-01-2008 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Brian
09-01-2008 10:52 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
Brian writes:
However, it is difficult to harmonise this with the evil, bloodthirsty tyrant Yahweh
Jehovah/Yahweh, the wise designer and manager of life, in his wisdom, has raised up kingdoms for the sole purpose of eliminating cultures which will eventually destroy life on earth, relative to both pagan nations and his own kingdom nation, Israel.
Jehovah has raised up pagan kingdoms for the purpose of eliminating the evil ones of his own people, Israel so as to effect the survival of life and the nation because his people departed from his precepts and principles.
This is all for the survival of the human species in a world where warfare between the good and the evil is being waged since the Edenic fall.
Again, it is the ignorance and departure from the designer's precepts and not the incompetence of the designer that becomes problematic for the creature as the creature is designed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 171 of 352 (480263)
09-01-2008 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Coragyps
09-01-2008 11:49 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
Coragyps writes:
What absurdity! Where the hell does the Pentateuch warn about high cholesterol? Or tell how to treat melanomas?
The OT is loaded with the pros and cons of wine. In the NT the apostle Paul wisely advised young Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach's sake and his often infirmities. Lo and behold, modern science has discovered the resveratrol and other aspects of the red wine which nicely stabilize the cholesterol to the consistency which the body requires. The enzymes in the natural processing etc all work for good natural health as was designed so masterfully.
Btw, the designer's wine was intended to be grown on land which was fertilized with the dung of all living on the land. It was not intended to be produced for more $$ by adding such harmful chemicals as nitrites to speed up the processing.
Relative to colerterol, your natural grass feed red meats and your natural eggs have inbuilt properties which eliminate the problems we moderns are experiencing.
There is less $$ profits in growing and producing natural foods as designed. The designer shouldn't be blamed for the greed of our food growers and processors.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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