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Agobot
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Message 16 of 30 (478352)
08-14-2008 2:43 PM


Sorry CrazyDiamond7, but I think you've had too much fruit today(from the incompatible type).

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Message 17 of 30 (478417)
08-15-2008 4:56 AM
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06-09-2008 1:56 PM


Re: Origin of filtered nutrient properties
The nutrient properties of the fruits from the compatible trees are not made of the dust of the earth because they are filtered properties made of the solid trees.

Trees, like other plants, are made primarily from sunlight, carbon dioxide and water. Only trace elements and a moderate amount of nitrogen are extracted from the soil.


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Message 18 of 30 (478476)
08-15-2008 8:29 PM
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08-15-2008 4:56 AM


Re: Origin of filtered nutrient properties
Trees, like other plants, are made primarily from sunlight, carbon dioxide and water. Only trace elements and a moderate amount of nitrogen are extracted from the soil.

Even the nitrogen started out as atmospheric nitrogen that was 'fixed' (processed into ammonium and nitrate compounds by soil bacteria). Since you seem to think you know what the heck "filtered properties made of the solid trees" are, perhaps you can explain it to the rest of us. I'm guessing that CD's brain is made from the filtered properties of solid %*^*$(*.


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Message 19 of 30 (478494)
08-16-2008 2:48 AM
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10-02-2007 6:01 PM


Re: Is there ever a perfect design in the first instruction of Genesis?
I certainly cannot figure out any sort of relation between the thread/post title and the content. For that matter, it's quite difficult to derive any meaning from either the title or the content. In any case, I was intrigued by finding these two phrases in this original post:

CrazyDiamond7 writes:

From the fruits of the solid trees you can freely eat, except the one that is fruit and food at one time --paraphrased transcription--;

...

The only fruit of solid tree that is fruit and food at the same time: olive...

I wonder whether this is based on knowing what is normally done to olives between the time they are picked and the time they are eaten. If you have never had the opportunity to eat a fresh olive that has just been picked from the tree, you will be in for a surprise the first time you try it.

The unprocessed olive is neither food nor fruit -- it is utterly inedible until it has been soaked for a few weeks in a solution of lye and water. It has always been, for me, one of the profound mysteries of human development: who could have possibly figured out how to make olives edible? Granting that someone, at some time, felt compelled to accomplish this feat, how could the notion of soaking in lye possible have been considered as a means to that end?

Even if we consider only olive oil, it is equally difficult for me to imagine how this process would have come into existence -- I've been downwind of a factory that produces olive oil a few times, and I would be quite happy not to repeat the experience.

Don't get me wrong -- I love olives and olive oil, once they have been properly processed for human consumption. My own dad used to prepare olives that he picked from the trees next to our house, and we ate them with delight, but his process for "curing" them was carefully studied and just as carefully carried out -- it had to be -- because both the original olives and key components of "curing" were fairly toxic.

So, if that paraphrase from Genesis really does refer to the olive tree, perhaps it dates from a time before people knew how to cure olives, and God was just stating the obvious: humans could not eat that "fruit", because it really is inedible. And maybe a little more paraphrasing and interpretation will reveal that the original sin was actually the invention of the lye solution to cure olives and make them edible!! It seems obvious enough that disposing of the lye solution would have rather poisonous effects on the garden -- reason enough to evict the polluters, who certainly should have been ashamed for causing such damage. ;)


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Message 20 of 30 (478625)
08-18-2008 6:10 PM
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08-15-2008 8:29 PM


Re: Origin of filtered nutrient properties
Even the nitrogen started out as atmospheric nitrogen that was 'fixed' (processed into ammonium and nitrate compounds by soil bacteria).

As I understand it, most but not all of it arrives that way. I'm open to correction though.

Since you seem to think you know what the heck "filtered properties made of the solid trees" are, perhaps you can explain it to the rest of us. I'm guessing that CD's brain is made from the filtered properties of solid %*^*$(*.[

No, I was objecting to the notion that trees were mostly made of the dust of the Earth; I have no idea what the rest of it is about.


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Message 21 of 30 (478632)
08-18-2008 8:23 PM
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08-18-2008 6:10 PM


Re: Origin of filtered nutrient properties
I remember reading about an English nobleman who did an experiment in the mid 1700's to test the then common notion that trees do grow from the dust of the earth. He planted a seedling in a large pot of earth and let it grow over several years into a large tree. He then compared the weight of the mature tree to the loss of weight of the soil in the pot and determined that the 'dust of the earth' contributed only a small fraction to the substance of the tree. He (erroneously) concluded that most of the weight of the tree must come from the water that he added at frequent intervals, this being long before CO2 and photosynthesis were discovered. For the life of me I cannot recollect the name of the gentleman, but this was certainly a very advanced scientific experiment for its time, acknowledging the conservation of matter, challenging an hypothesis with empirical evidence, and showing extreme patience and persistence (I think it took about 20 years to grow the tree).

All this might indicate that CD may not be the crispiest fry in the McDonald's bag.

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Message 22 of 30 (478642)
08-19-2008 2:46 AM
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08-16-2008 2:48 AM


Re: Is there ever a perfect design in the first instruction of Genesis?
I don't post much here anymore as it always seemed the obvious and real points I raised were avoided rather than being properly debated and discussed, but that being said, came here tonight, and was glad to learn something.......great post.


The unprocessed olive is neither food nor fruit -- it is utterly inedible until it has been soaked for a few weeks in a solution of lye and water. It has always been, for me, one of the profound mysteries of human development: who could have possibly figured out how to make olives edible? Granting that someone, at some time, felt compelled to accomplish this feat, how could the notion of soaking in lye possible have been considered as a means to that end?

Even if we consider only olive oil, it is equally difficult for me to imagine how this process would have come into existence -- I've been downwind of a factory that produces olive oil a few times, and I would be quite happy not to repeat the experience.

If true, it really is amazing.

I think that perhaps intuition and insight, really from the Lord, comes into play and somehow people are instructed whether they realize it or not by a higher, more spiritual order (aka God).

But hey, if you don't buy that, it is still something to think about......imo, there is a rational explanation but it's intuition that is the explanation.


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Message 23 of 30 (478643)
08-19-2008 2:47 AM
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10-02-2007 6:01 PM


Re: Is there ever a perfect design in the first instruction of Genesis?
I liked your comment "Initial Time" and believe it is insightful. I don't really think your idea is the primary meaning of what you call an eternal command but it may well have enough weight as a type and shadow so to speak to work.

What list of foods would you suggest to try the diet you propose?


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Message 24 of 30 (478700)
08-19-2008 8:12 PM
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08-19-2008 2:46 AM


Re: Is there ever a perfect design in the first instruction of Genesis?
randman writes:

If true, it really is amazing.

Having just googled it, I find that there are numerous methods for curing olives (which I was unaware of), and many of them do not involve lye, but they all involve rather a lot of water and/or a lot of some other resource (often large quantities of salt), as well as weeks worth of patience and diligence.

randman writes:

I think that perhaps intuition and insight, really from the Lord, comes into play and somehow people are instructed whether they realize it or not by a higher, more spiritual order (aka God).

Either that, or (much more likely) people who really need to eat something simply try and try again, and learn from the mistakes that don't kill them. Bear in mind that quite a lot of this sort of thing (figuring out what's edible and how to make it palatable) went on long before (and far outside the region of) the Hebrew society that first conceived the God you speak of.


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Message 25 of 30 (478712)
08-19-2008 10:17 PM
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Re: Is there ever a perfect design in the first instruction of Genesis?
Maybe so and maybe it was experimentation. At the same time, the fact people were not Hebrew doesn't really make any difference at all.
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Message 26 of 30 (479605)
08-28-2008 2:32 PM
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08-15-2008 8:29 PM


About the stability of the living energy of a solid tree
Hi,

The filtered properties which are made of the solid trees are living properties that proceeded from the tree itself and not from the soil.

The process that a solid tree does filtrate or extract the nutrient properties from the soil is a living process, which means that what the living tree does extract from the soil is not a property from the tree itself.

In a nutshell: when you eat a fresh fruit from a healthy solid tree then you are eating a property which belongs exclusively to the living solid tree.

About the stability of the living energy of a solid tree: The power of filtering is not initiated by any element that a chemist, a biologist and a physicist would ascertain on.

They would comprehend if their area of knowledge was the understanding of the times that remain, to which the knowledge of the Initial time in immediate and simultaneous sequence pertains. (And more especifically the times of impact through which the stability of the living electricity--or energy is initiated, accelerated or terminated).

See the stability of living energy of a solid tree as well as the living electricity and initial power that causes the time sequence of the initial pulse of an ant or a fly to stay alive,

and see that the stability of time sequence (initial power--pulse) is also the detonating impact of permanence that causes the living electricity--energy to remain, which, for being a living one, does not pertain to the common science of this world to figure out, and that is why the sciences of this world do lack in understanding and are not able to resurrect a roach, much less a fly and an ant.

Tzsh√°fir

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Message 27 of 30 (479614)
08-28-2008 5:42 PM
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08-19-2008 2:47 AM


Ascertaining on the Gradual Reduction Process
Hi,

wrote: What list of foods would you suggest to try the diet you propose?

All that the instruction in the books of the ancients do recommend.

Gradual reduction process
giving priority to the fruits of solid trees,

For a person that eats the appropriate fruits freely
all days and all times,
he--she might have an adaptation time i.e. a gradual food reduction,

Sample of Gradual reduction: there is a reduction of 2 grams of soya oil once a month, reduce 2 grams of rice a week, and reduce 2 grams a week of whether beans, fish or egg.

One remains in the deceleration plan spontaneously because the same Instruction says that one cannot restore old clothes--nutrient properties that originally belong in the human body-- with something else, an unshrunk cloth or a different type of nutrient and proteins that are like those that belong in the cow meat. For the unshrunk property that the same instruction refers to, indicates to be a property that does not originally pertain or belong to the human body.

When eating food for power restoration purpose, the word restaurant might suggest that purpose, but there is no real profit in the temporary restoration of eating regular food, because the nervous system tends to operate exclusively for the food digestive process, by gradually increasing the intensity of gastric acidity, thus wasting the nutrient properties and hormones that are intrinsic and originally human.

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Message 28 of 30 (479690)
08-29-2008 1:59 PM


Distinction between a living process and a process of death
quote:
The filtered properties which are made of the solid trees are living properties that proceed from the tree itself and not from the soil.

The process that a solid tree does filtrate or extract the nutrient properties from the soil is a living process, which means that what the living tree does extract from the soil is not a property from the tree itself. When you eat a fresh fruit from a healthy solid tree then you are eating a property which belongs exclusively to the living solid tree.


See the distinction between a living process
and a process that leads to the natural death,

'The process that a solid tree does filtrate and extract the nutrient properties from the soil is a living process'

'The process that the human body and the nervous system does to digest the regular food is a process of death and leads to natural death'

because it is not possible to restore the initial amount of life--hormones and proteins-- that is released from the brain and the nervous system in order to digest any meal or fruit that is not a compatible fruit from the solid trees.

quote:
Impossibility of Restoration through an Unshrunk nutrient property,

the same Instruction says that one cannot restore old clothes--nutrient properties that originally belong in the human body-- with something else, an unshrunk cloth or a different type of nutrient and proteins that are like those that belong in the cow meat. For the unshrunk property that the same instruction refers to, indicates to be a property that does not originally pertain or belong to the human body.

When eating food for power restoration purpose, the word restaurant might suggest that purpose, but there is no real profit in the temporary restoration of eating regular food, because the nervous system tends to operate exclusively for the food digestive process, by gradually increasing the intensity of gastric acidity, thus wasting the nutrient properties and hormones that are intrinsic and originally human.


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Message 29 of 30 (479696)
08-29-2008 3:15 PM


Distinction between a living process and a process of death
With regard to the impossibility that had been quoted before, saying: 'it is not possible to restore the initial amount of life--hormones and proteins-- that it takes to digest any meal or fruit that is not a compatible fruit from the solid trees',

why does it take that initial amount of life to digest the food in the first place?

Because the nervous system has the natural directive of identifying the food or incompatible fruit as being the same nutrient properties that the human body was made of, which proves that the human body was made of the basic nutrient properties of the dust of the ground, the same type of nutrient properties that the grains (e.g. flour, rice, beans), the peppers, the tomatoes and the vegetables were made of.

Thus, it is clear that when a living solid tree extracts some nutrients from the soil, that is a living process because, unlike the human body, the compatible solid trees themselves and their fruits were not made of the same nutrient properties that the grains, the peppers, the tomatoes and the vegetables were made.

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Message 30 of 30 (480218)
09-01-2008 4:25 PM


Distinction between a living process and a process of death
that is why after 65 years old his-her face tends to become like that of a tomato or a big green pepper

when it begins the process of dying it becomes wrinkled and dried out


    
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