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Bambootiger
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Message 16 of 121 (479274)
08-25-2008 9:02 PM
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08-25-2008 8:41 AM


Re: So How Old Does This Make the World in People Time?
The key word here which is often overlooked is "as". It says "as a thousand years" rather than "is a thousand years".

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Message 17 of 121 (479276)
08-25-2008 9:54 PM
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08-25-2008 8:49 PM


Re: I agree here
Yes John I do, but that does not mean it is the same length of day as mentioned in Genesis.
Adam died 930 years old fullfilling the prophecy that in the day he ate he died. akjv genesis 2:17 & akjv genesis 5:5 & akjv 2 peter 3:8.
If Adam would of died 1001 years old he would not of died in the day he ate. It would of violated scripture.
P.S. akjv 2 peter 3:8 says "and a" thousand years as one day.
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Message 18 of 121 (479278)
08-25-2008 10:42 PM
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08-25-2008 9:02 PM


Re: So How Old Does This Make the World in People Time?
True. People who treat this as an equation rather than a simile are missing the point.

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Otto Tellick
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Message 19 of 121 (479281)
08-25-2008 11:58 PM
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08-24-2008 7:14 PM


I'm a bit surprised that this thread was not placed in "Bible Study" (under "Social and Religious Issues"), given that all the substantive discussion so far has been about interpretation of biblical text, with nothing about assessment of observable or verifiable evidence.
I think the points raised so far by johnfolten, AlphaOmegakid and Bambootiger all revolve around the same set of overlapping circles: the wording of the original text is open to several distinct interpretations; the various translations into English (whether directly from Hebraic sources or through various intermediate languages) introduce even more variables for deriving still more distinct interpretations.
The inescapable underlying fact is that the original language was not specific -- much was left to the imagination. (Yes, I will assert, without concrete evidence and solely on the basis of reasonable assumption, that the original wording in the original language was crafted particularly to stimulate the imagination of the listener/reader, rather than to dictate a rigid and limited inventory of literal "facts".) It doesn't matter what sort of authorship or inspiration you attribute to the text -- it is simply an incomplete explanation. Let's admit it: the text is vague.
If you limit yourself solely to the information provided in the text, and do not admit or accept any external evidence from objective, verifiable observation, you will never have a basis for establishing true consensus for one interpretation in preference to another -- it will always be a case of "your interpretation against his someone else's". This is the fundamental problem of doctrinal schisms among all the branches and sects that have diversified ("speciated") from the single source ("common origin") of Moses and/or Jesus and/or Mohamed.
Clearly, when you do admit and accept external evidence that has been observed and verified repeatedly with honest objectivity, then the "truth" of the passages describing creation must be understood in some manner other than literal interpretation about physical facts.
For those who feel compelled to view the Genesis scriptures as unwaveringly true, I think the best frame of reference may be the one provided by Augustine, which receives a very clear presentation at the "talkorigins" web site: The Talk.Origins Archive Post of the Month: February 2008
If you disagree with what Augustine says, the key point is: why do you disagree? Is it because he was a Catholic, and you are not? Do you really have any objective basis for rejecting his view, or is it just another case of "your interpretation against his"?
Edited by Otto Tellick, : (minor change for clarification, indicated by strike_through

autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.

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Message 20 of 121 (479303)
08-26-2008 10:30 AM
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08-25-2008 8:58 PM


But context defines it meaning
Bambootiger writes:
If you read through these first chapters of Genesis you will see that "day" is used in different ways. On the first day only the light portion is called "day" and yet at the end of the same day the entire evening to morning is called "day" and this is despite the fact that evening to morning is not 24 hours.Another example is Genesis 2:4 where it does not say "days" but refers to all 6 days as "day" singular.
Yes, I understand that "yom" has many meanings just like our word "day", but the meaning is understood by the context. There is no context that indicates long ages in Genesis 1. The context indicates short periods of time. Even the "1000" year period day should only be invoked when prophecy is being used and not in a historical narrative IMO. A prophetic day can have different meanings within the scripture.
The problem is there is no long age context, unless you bring it in from the outside.
You didn't respond about God's comments on creation in Exodus. What do you think the context says there about "day".
When I use the phase "24 hour day" that is my phrase, not the scriptures. When I say 24 hour day, I mean a short period day. It could be the morning, the evening, or both combined. It still is a relatively short period of time on the earth (24 hours or less). The context of Genesis 1 and Exodus 20 are only consistent with short period days.

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gluadys
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Message 21 of 121 (479349)
08-26-2008 3:36 PM
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08-26-2008 10:30 AM


Re: But context defines it meaning
AlphaOmegakid writes:
Yes, I understand that "yom" has many meanings just like our word "day", but the meaning is understood by the context. There is no context that indicates long ages in Genesis 1. The context indicates short periods of time. Even the "1000" year period day should only be invoked when prophecy is being used and not in a historical narrative IMO. A prophetic day can have different meanings within the scripture.
The problem is there is no long age context, unless you bring it in from the outside.
You didn't respond about God's comments on creation in Exodus. What do you think the context says there about "day".
When I use the phase "24 hour day" that is my phrase, not the scriptures. When I say 24 hour day, I mean a short period day. It could be the morning, the evening, or both combined. It still is a relatively short period of time on the earth (24 hours or less). The context of Genesis 1 and Exodus 20 are only consistent with short period days.
Ok, let's go with that. The immediate context of Genesis 1:1-2:3a is an ordinary (24-hr) day. What does that imply?
To me, it implies that the Genesis account is not to be taken literally for all the reasons that have been enumerated here and in many contexts going back at least to Augustine.

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Bambootiger
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Message 22 of 121 (479399)
08-26-2008 8:09 PM
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08-25-2008 11:58 PM


Here is my view
Otto,
I have nothing against Catholics. My mother was raised as a Catholic. I don't agree with the view of Augustine here though, and I'll tell you why. First look at the text of Genesis 2:4 to which Augustine if referring to. Here is the way it is rendered by three different Bibles:
(Genesis 2:4) 4This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
(Darby) Genesis 2:4 These are the histories of the heavens and the earth, when they were created, in the day that Jehovah Elohim made earth and heavens,
(MKJV (Green)) Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in the day that Jehovah God made the earth and the heavens.
Now look at some alternatives at the point where the first one says "history":
"These are the historical origins." Heb., ’el’leh thoh·ledhohth’, "These are the begettings of"; Gr., hau’te he bi’blos ge·ne’se·os, "This is the book of origin (source)"; Lat., i’stae ge·ne·ra·ti·o’nes, "These are the generations."
The last of these above would have been what Jerome used in the Latin Vulgate. Jerome was a much better scholar than Augustine and when he was translating this portion of the Bible he insisted on doing so from the Original Hebrew so he had a good grasp of the thought expresses here. "Generations" is something that would cover a period of time, rather than some something which would happen "all at once together" as Augustine described.
Also in the Bile when something is figurative you get some kind of clue either in the immediate context or somewhere else in the Bible. An example of this is Revelation 21:1 where it says "the sea is no more", compare this with 17:15 where it says in part "...The waters that you saw, ...mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues." and Isaiah 57:20 "But the wicked are like the sea that is being tossed, when it is unable to calm down, the waters of which keep tossing up seaweed and mire." So if Genesis chapter one is in symbols, then can you show from the Bible what those symbols mean?
Also compare this with another account of creation as found in job chapter 38 and verses 4 through 11. One thing you might note there is that the angels existed before the earth and were an audience to this, and also the sea is mentioned after the earth, so it suggests a logical and linear progression. The heavens which were created at Genesis 1:1 was the spiritual one, and then the heaven where the stars are. The heaven in regard to the earth was created on the second day. This latter one is the expanse where birds fly and the clouds are.
Also, I am certainly not an authority on Hebrew, but from what I have read the original Hebrew describes something that happened over a period of time. When God said on Day One, "Let light come to be," diffused light evidently penetrated the cloud layers even though the sources of that light could not yet be discerned from the earth’s surface. That this was a gradual process is indicated by translator J.W. Watts in "A Distinctive Translation of Genesis" : Genesis 1:3 "And gradually light came into existence."
Furthermore I do have confidence in the potassium-argon, and Rubidium dating methods. These work quite well on igneous rock, though neither are useful for fossils since they are almost always found in sedimentary rock. The Uranium-Lead clock is good too but has a few more problems than the first two. A rock was brought back from the moon by the astronauts of Apollo 15. Using a chip from this rock, scientists measured the potassium and argon and determined the age of the rock to be 3.3 billion years. The rubidium-strontium clock was used in dating the same moon rock described above. Five different minerals in the rock were tested, and they joined in indicating an age of 3.3 billion years, the same as the potassium-argon age, and using this last method scientists measured the age of a meteorite thought to be like that which came together to form our planets, and it was dated at 4.6 billion years. The age of the earth is estimated to be about 5 billion years and the universe is said to be 12 billion years old. That's a difference of 7 billion years. I would speculate that this allowed time for massive stars to form and burn out producing the heavier elements through nuclear fusion of which our planet is made, then it could have taken billions of more years for the earth to cool off from radioactive and thermal energy and stabilize so that at the right time God could begin to prepare it further and create life on it. I think that it is a cooling process described in Genesis 1:2 . It you have a cup of tea or soup that is too hot you might blow upon it to cool it off. Some scientists believe that at some point in time a mars sized object struck the earth and sunk into it to form the core it has today while at the same time throwing a mass into orbit which became our moon, and this would have left a massive cloud of dust around the earth. This could been the source of the cloud which covered the earth which along with the water vapor caused the darkness described at Genesis 1:2, which began to settle enough for light to penetrate on day one, and had settled enough by day four so that the sources of light; the sun, moon, and, stars could be seen from the earth.

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Bambootiger
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Message 23 of 121 (479401)
08-26-2008 8:15 PM
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08-25-2008 9:54 PM


Re: I agree here
John,
That is one of the two possible explanations. The other one is that God's point of view Adam did die on that day when he sinned by pulling away from his life source, disconnecting from God, so to speak. Like if you unplug a fan from your point of view you turned it off, but it may still spin for a little while. This in particular is not something commented on by any other Bile writer so you explanation you offered is as good as any.

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Message 24 of 121 (479405)
08-26-2008 8:41 PM
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08-26-2008 10:30 AM


Re: But context defines it meaning
AlphaOmegakid,
I'm sorry I missed your other post. I'm not really keeping up very well with all the replies.
I can't say how long the creative days were, but one thing that indicates that these were a long period of time is that the seventh one began, but never had an end, and Paul referred to Psalm 95:11 and applied it to show that Christians in his day were still in that day of rest. You can find this at Hebrews 3:18 through 4:10. If your Bible has cross references here please use them and see what you find. I believe I mentioned this in the original message. If we go by the same model which you pointed out at Exodus then it is reasonable to believe that each day was of equal length. The week observed by the Israelites were of twenty four hours, from evening to evening, and were a miniature model of the creative times followed by God's day of rest, which as Paul pointed out they had the opportunity to enter, but failed. Also, as I just mentioned, the Israelite day was from evening to evening, while the creative time periods were described as evening to morning, so they were not the same. The description "there came to be morning, and there came to be evening is symbolic. In the Bible ignorance is described as darkness, while knowledge or understanding is spoken of as light. Each creative time period began with darkness as to what God would accomplish and ended in the full light of his wise accomplishments. Again, if these days were the same as those in Exodus they would have run from evening to evening.

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Message 25 of 121 (479417)
08-27-2008 2:02 AM
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08-24-2008 7:14 PM


The REST of the Story
Bambootiger writes:
... day 7 did not have an end. Since it is a reasonable conclusion that he days of the creation account are of equal length, we can gain understanding of the issue of the length of the creative days by considering the length of the seventh day. At Hebrews 4:1-10, Paul quotes from Psalm 95:11 to demonstrate that the Israelites of Moses' day had the opportunity to enter into God's day of rest, but these failed to do so because of their lack of faith, and disobedience, and he then indicates that Christians of his time still had the opportunity to do so because that seventh day was still continuing. So the conclusion this leads to is that the seventh day is thousands of years long and thus the other days would be as long also.
God's Day of Rest?
Let's see if your Bible study rings true to the purpose of your argument. I prefer to begin with the Old Testament quotes and work forward.
quote:
Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, [and] as [in] the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. Forty years long was I grieved with [this] generation, and said, It [is] a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest. Psalm 95:8-11 KJV
One rather telling rendition of verse 11 which I like because it is true to the context (the entry into Canaan) reads:
quote:
So in my anger I made a vow: `They will never enter my place of rest.' " Psalm 95:11 New Living Translation (NLT)
The "rest" i.e. "place of rest" being the promised land.
Now let us turn to what Paul is on about. I am going to continue with the NLT because it reads so easily by comparison.
quote:
And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn't it the people who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he vowed that they would never enter his place of rest? He was speaking to those who disobeyed him. So we see that they were not allowed to enter his rest because of their unbelief. Hebrews 3:17-19 NLT
They were killed, or allowed to die, so they would not enter into "the rest" AKA "place of rest" AKA Promised Land.
Paul goes on to draw a spiritual lesson from that wilderness experience, comparing the then modern Jews to those ancient ones, and faith in Moses, to faith in Jesus. The previous "rest" was a piece of ground, the very land of promise. Now, however, the "rest" is something else, something more spiritual, less tangible but none-the-less desirable. Even now, says Paul, it awaits the people of God.
quote:
We know it is ready because the Scriptures mention the seventh day, saying, "On the seventh day God rested from all his work." But in the other passage God said, "They will never enter my place of rest." So God's rest is there for people to enter. But those who formerly heard the Good News failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his place of rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David a long time later in the words already quoted: "Today you must listen to his voice. Don't harden your hearts against him." This new place of rest was not the land of Canaan, where Joshua led them. If it had been, God would not have spoken later about another day of rest. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who enter into God's rest will find rest from their labors, just as God rested after creating the world. Let us do our best to enter that place of rest. For anyone who disobeys God, as the people of Israel did, will fall. Hebrew 4:4-11 NLT
Note the expressions: "new place of rest" (described as different from the first); and "special rest" (which awaits the people of God); and "another dayof rest" different from the first. Note Paul's use of the past tense: "God rested," rather than the present tense which, if that day is ongoing, should read: "God is resting."
This is clearly NOT about God having ceased his creative activity. If you doubt that, you can actually look at the universe and see that he continues to be rather busy.
This is clearly about obedience to God, being in harmony with his will, the reward for which is - a "place of rest" - "still waiting for the people of God."
I believe your hypothesis has just lost a leg.
They shoot horses, don't they?

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Message 26 of 121 (479420)
08-27-2008 3:22 AM
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08-26-2008 8:15 PM


Re: I agree here
John,
That is one of the two possible explanations. The other one is that God's point of view Adam did die on that day when he sinned by pulling away from his life source, disconnecting from God, so to speak. Like if you unplug a fan from your point of view you turned it off, but it may still spin for a little while. This in particular is not something commented on by any other Bile writer so you explanation you offered is as good as any.
It says: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. akjv genesis 5:5
Jesus died yet is the first to be resurrected into an incorruptible body that he is alive forevermore, and has the keys to hell and of death.
Job appears was looking forward to the resurrection of the body from the grave. And that he would be present bodily with all the Saints when our LORD and God stands upon the earth in that latter day.
akjv Job 19:26 is not Job talking about the redeemer living and that he shall stand at "the latter day" upon the earth: And in verse 27 saying in his own flesh would he see God?
akjv Zechariah 14:5 And he Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Is not this the beginning of the latter day when the Lord God sets his feet upon the mount of olives.
P.S. It appears Sacred texts of the Books of Adam and Eve agree with akjv 2 peter 3:8 that there is merit that a thousand years is but one day.
If the prophecy of the 5 and 1/2 days was given to Adam 500 years into day 6 you would have 5,500 years plus the 5,500 year prophecy to the birth of Christ plus 2,000 years to the present giving us an approximate age of the heaven and earth of 13,000 years.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
CHAP. III.
Concerning the promise of the great five days and a half.
GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the
p. 6
[paragraph continues] Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
CHAP. XIV.
The earliest prophecy of the coming of Christ.
But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.
5 "And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save thee."
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Message 27 of 121 (479430)
08-27-2008 6:12 AM
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08-27-2008 3:22 AM


Re: I agree here
John,
Job and Zechariah have nothing to do with the topic, and you are adding something to the Bible.
(Revelation 22:18) 18“I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;

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Message 28 of 121 (479434)
08-27-2008 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by doctrbill
08-27-2008 2:02 AM


Re: The REST of the Story
Their rest was in the promised land, but the land inself was not that rest. When God said
"they shall not enter into my rest" the "my rest" there was reffering to a condition, not just a place. Sice God himself was in heaven. If they demonstrated faith and obeyed him then rhey could enter into a relationship with him in the promised land where they would become reconciled with God and enjoy his blessings. remember that the sacrifices they were told to make were all symboloic, or poictorial, of the one sacrifice of the Chtist, and now through him all Chtistains have the opportunity to become reconciled to God regardless of what land we live on. That is why true Christians who obey Christ and follow him have a ministry of reconcoliation.
(2 Corinthians 5:18-20) 18But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation, 19namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses, and he committed the word of the reconciliation to us. 20We are therefore ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us. As substitutes for Christ we beg: “Become reconciled to God.”
As for where that rest is read Matthew 5:5 where Jesus was quoting from Psalms 37. Thar is our promised land now.

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Message 29 of 121 (479459)
08-27-2008 12:14 PM
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08-26-2008 8:41 PM


Re: But context defines it meaning
Bambootiger writes:
I can't say how long the creative days were, but one thing that indicates that these were a long period of time is that the seventh one began, but never had an end
Please identify where you conclude that the seventh creaion day is still going on. God's rest and the Sabbath day are two distint things. Hebrews is not discussing a "day of rest", it is discussing "God's rest". On earth we dwell in time marked by events. God gave us the sun and moon to time the days on creation day 4. When we enter God's rest there won't be any more days. That's why it is eternal. There will only be light and no darkness.
The seventh day of creation was marked by the sun and moon just like every day is in this context. The Sabbath day commanded in Exodus as parallel to this is marked by the sun and moon. Every sabbath day has a beginning and and end.
Please don't confuse the eternality of God's realm with the non-eternality of our realm. Our realm on this earth is marked in days, and that is by God's command and design on day four.
Bmabootiger writes:
and Paul referred to Psalm 95:11 and applied it to show that Christians in his day were still in that day of rest. You can find this at Hebrews 3:18 through 4:10. If your Bible has cross references here please use them and see what you find. I believe I mentioned this in the original message. If we go by the same model which you pointed out at Exodus then it is reasonable to believe that each day was of equal length. The week observed by the Israelites were of twenty four hours, from evening to evening, and were a miniature model of the creative times followed by God's day of rest, which as Paul pointed out they had the opportunity to enter, but failed.
Psalm 95:11 says nothing about "day" it says "rest". Hebrews says the same. For some reason you are inserting the word "day". Are you violating your own principles about not adding to God's word?
Bambootiger writes:
Also, as I just mentioned, the Israelite day was from evening to evening, while the creative time periods were described as evening to morning, so they were not the same.
All days are from evening to evening. The Israelite day was an exact representation of the creation days. They started with the evening and ended at the end of the morning. The next evening would be the next day. evening to evening.
Bambootiger writes:
The description "there came to be morning, and there came to be evening is symbolic. In the Bible ignorance is described as darkness, while knowledge or understanding is spoken of as light.
Well then I guess God's declaration of the six days of creation and the Sabbath day in the ten commandments is symbollic? You really have to add and take away from God's word on that one. How do you declare what is symbollic and what is not in the scripture? I would allow God to make those declarations if I were you.
Bambootiger writes:
Each creative time period began with darkness as to what God would accomplish and ended in the full light of his wise accomplishments. Again, if these days were the same as those in Exodus they would have run from evening to evening.
Again, you are equivocating on the definition of a "day". Evening to evening is not the same as evening through evening. Evening to evening is an evening and a morning period just as it is stated in the text of Genesis.
I will be satisfied to accept God's interpretation of His creation week (Exodus 20) rather than your symbolic interpretation of the creation week. Again, I think the only reason you choose this is because of outside of the bible influences. You certainly haven't shown any from inside the Bible.

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Message 30 of 121 (479461)
08-27-2008 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Bambootiger
08-27-2008 6:12 AM


Re: I agree here
John,
Job and Zechariah have nothing to do with the topic, and you are adding something to the Bible.
(Revelation 22:18) 18 “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;
I'm not changing the wording of the bible nor the wording of the scriptures in the sacred texts unlike all them other new age bible versions including the TEV.
Where is the prophecy out of Egypt have I called my son mentioned in the bible other than akjv matthew 2:15 ? Is it not about those 5 and 1/2 days in respect to Adam and the Word? Out of Egypt have I called my son.
I agree one should not alter the words of any of the other sacred texts of scripture even those that were not included in the bible.
However where is the book of Nathan the book of Jehru, just because All Scriptures were not included in the bible does not mean all scriptures are not profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
P.S. Yet by the time given for these events to happen by the scriptures it gives you approximately 13,000 years since God made our worlds heaven and earth.
akjv 2Ti 3:16 "All Scripture" is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
akjv 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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