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doctrbill
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Message 31 of 35 (479465)
08-27-2008 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Bambootiger
08-27-2008 6:29 AM


The REST of the Story
I wish I could say you have an hypothesis going but I'm afraid that is not the case.
I have other problems with your OP but chose this one because no one had yet touched it.
Bambootiger writes:
... the conclusion this leads to is that the seventh day is thousands of years long and thus the other days would be as long also.
You seem to think it significant that the Scripture does not specifically say, "Day Seven Ended."
Is it not enough that it says: God rested and was refreshed?
quote:
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but he rested on the seventh day and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17 NLT
Notice the past tense. If what you propose were true then it should read: God is resting (present tense) and will be refreshed (future tense).
Their rest was in the promised land, but the land inself was not that rest.
That seems reasonable.
It is also reasonable for the NLT to give "rest" {menukah (H4496)} as "place of rest" in this circumstance; for it fits the context and is translated that way in other places by the KJV:
quote:
... the ark of the covenant of the LORD went before them ... to search out a resting place for them. Numbers 10:33
... my people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation, and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places; Isa 32:17,18
Note the poetic parallelisms: "peacable habitation" - "sure dwellings" - "quiet resting places."
Bambootiger writes:
As for where that rest is read Matthew 5:5 where Jesus was quoting from Psalms 37. Thar is our promised land now.
quote:
... the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. Psa 37:11
First you say the "rest" was NOT about the land, then you suggest that it IS about the land: the entire "earth."
I am confused. You want this "rest" to be a chronological argument regarding the age of the earth. You also want it as a reward given to the faithful; a huge piece of real estate: an entire planet. On the other hand, you want the spiritual interpretation which Paul gives it: blessings enjoyed by those who "Become reconciled to God." The image this brings to my mind is: eons of unemployment benefits while hanging out with God until he decides to go back to work!
That's probably not what you wanted me to think. Yes?
Your campaign has been valiant and I would give you an 'A' for effort but so far I see no evidence nor logical progression which would lead me to your conclusion. Your premise regarding Ferris Bueller's God's Day Off does not appear to be supported by the textual materials which you have provided and I know of no other which might be put to the task. I find it odd that you think God is somehow on holiday and that you think the length of God's holiday can determine the length of the days of creation week. I also think it odd that you imagine "God's rest" in terms of real estate; how it was once in the land of Canaan but now encompasses "the earth." I also wonder what you think it means to have God "resting" from his work. Would that explain the presence of evil in the world?
Yes. This leg is definately broken.

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Bambootiger
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Message 32 of 35 (479506)
08-27-2008 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by AlphaOmegakid
08-27-2008 12:14 PM


Re: But context defines it meaning
You don't have to take my word for it. Just read chapter 4 in the Book of Hebrews to see how the Apostle Paul under inspiration quoted and apllied the verse in Psalms 95 as well as Genesis 2;3. If your Bible has crodd references you can look them up to see what scriptures he is quoting from or reffering to. You can argue with Paul if you want to. I am only pointing out what the Bible says. What it doesn't say is that the sventh day had an end. The other six days did. If you are just going to repeat yourself and ignore what the Bibles says there isn't much point in having me invest my time in replying to your message is there? If you won't listen even to an Apostle of Christ then surely I can't help you either.

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Bambootiger
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Message 33 of 35 (479513)
08-28-2008 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by doctrbill
08-27-2008 1:35 PM


Re: The REST of the Story
A more modern and accurate translation shows that Genesis 2:2,3 are not in the past tense. Look at the Hebrew:
(Genesis 2:2) 2And by the seventh day God came to the completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made...
"And he proceeded to rest." Heb., wai·yish·both’. The verb is in the imperfect state denoting incomplete or continuous action, or action in progress.
(Genesis 2:3) 3And God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred, because on it he has been resting from all his work that God has created for the purpose of making.
, "he does rest (desist)." Heb., sha·vath’, perfect state. It shows the characteristic of an individual, namely, God, on the seventh day of his creative week.
(BBE) Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God came to the end of all his work; and on the seventh day he took his rest from all the work which he had done.
(BBE) Genesis 2:3 And God gave his blessing to the seventh day and made it holy: because on that day he took his rest from all the work which he had made and done.
(GodsWord) Genesis 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished work he had been doing. On the seventh day he stopped the work he had been doing.
(GodsWord) Genesis 2:3 "Then God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as holy, because on that day he stopped all his work of creation."
(Young) Genesis 2:2 and God completeth by the seventh day His work which He hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all His work which He hath made.
(Young) Genesis 2:3 And God blesseth the seventh day, and sanctifieth it, for in it He hath ceased from all His work which God had prepared for making.
(TEV) Genesis 2:3 He blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a special day, because by that day he had completed his creation and stopped working.
Let me just quote the relavent portion of Hebrews, but first consider that the rest here to which Christians could enter into was not the promised land, because that is where they already lived.:
(Hebrews 3:18-4:10) 18But to whom did he swear that they should not enter into his rest except to those who acted disobediently? 19So we see that they could not enter in because of lack of faith. 4 Therefore, since a promise is left of entering into his rest, let us fear that sometime someone of YOU may seem to have fallen short of it. 2For we have had the good news declared to us also, even as they also had; but the word which was heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who did hear. 3For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: "So I swore in my anger, ”They shall not enter into my rest,’" although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works," 5and again in this place: "They shall not enter into my rest." 6Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7he again marks off a certain day by saying after so long a time in David’s [psalm] "Today"; just as it has been said above: "Today if YOU people listen to his own voice, do not harden YOUR hearts." 8For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9So there remains a sabbath resting for the people of God. 10For the man that has entered into [God’s] rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own.
Some of the cross references:
Verse 18 (Numbers 14:30)
4:1 a
(Exodus 20:11) 11For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and proceeded to make it sacred.
"And he proceeded to rest." Progressive action indicated by a Heb. verb in the imperfect state.
4:1b
Galations 5:4; Hebrews 3:12;12:15
4:2a
Matthew 4:23; Acts 15:7; Colossians 1:23 (the good news of God's Kingdom)
4:2b
(Exodus 19:5) 5And now if YOU will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then YOU will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me.
(It wasn't the place, but their relationship with God, and service to him)
Verse 3 quotes Psalms 95:11
Verse 4 quotes Genesis 2:2
Verse 5 quotes Psalm 85:11 again
Verse 7 quotes Psalms 95:7 and verse 8
verse 8a
(Joshua 22:4) 4And now Jehovah YOUR God has given YOUR brothers rest, just as he promised them. So now turn and go YOUR way to YOUR tents in the land of YOUR possession, which Moses the servant of Jehovah gave YOU on the other side of the Jordan.
8b
(Jeremiah 6:16) ...6This is what Jehovah has said: "Stand still in the ways, YOU people, and see, and ask for the roadways of long ago, where, now, the good way is; and walk in it, and find ease for YOUR souls." But they kept saying: "We are not going to walk."
The key to the goal that Paul was pointing is verse 2 where it refers to the "Good News" and Jesus said that this was concerning "God's Kingdom". This is the Kingdom he taught us to pray for in the model prayer ; the goverment which will accomplish God's original purpose for man and the earth This ties in with Matthew 5:5 and Psalms 37 from where Jesus quoted it. It is not the place, the earth, but what God will do for us there which is described in Revelation 20:12,13 and 22:1,2 We can enter into God's rest by obediance to him.
However, again, the point is that Paul quoted from Genesis and said that while God "proceeded to rest" that day od reat was still continuing.

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johnfolton 
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Message 34 of 35 (479518)
08-28-2008 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Bambootiger
08-27-2008 10:25 PM


Re: But context defines it meaning
What it doesn't say is that the sventh day had an end.
It says on the seventh day God rested from "ALL" his Works.
However after approximately 1000 years of the seventh day did not the flood come that the world that was then perished being overflowed with water? 2 peter 3:6 & 2 peter 3:8. It says he rested from all his Works on the seventh day however the World Flood happened shortly after the seventh day. Do the math the flood happened when Noah was 600 years old and the generations started with Seth when Adam was 130 years on the sixth day and the years to the flood by the geneologies were approximately 1656 years. akjv genesis 5.
I love the rest though cause in God is a special place of rest to them that believe. akjv psalm 91 Is not this why the Jews missed the visitation and why it pleases God by the foolishness of the preaching of the gospel to save them that believe?
Did not God give Noah 120 years to build the ark? approximately shortly after the seventh day? My take is there is a special place of rest that exists to believers. It says in Hebrew 4:4 he did rest from "ALL" his Works on the seventh day. akjv psalm 104:9 in respect to the flood happening shortly after the seventh day because God destroyed the old earth with a flood yet set a bound that the waters may not again pass over the earth.
akjv hebrews 4:4-5 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God "did" rest the seventh day from "all" his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
P.S. It does not say he is resting but that he did rest, etc...
King James Bible
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28
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