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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
In the quick question/answer forum Taz raised the question as to whether Jesus was a legitimate child being God was not married to Mary.
My answer is: The supreme creator/designer of mankind can legitimately apply any situation to any of his creatures. God = creator; Mary = creature. Since it may be a topic which warrants some discussion here's where that can happen. What do you think? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
The supreme creator/designer of mankind can legitimately apply any situation to any of his creatures. Doesn't this make God an utterly amoral agent?
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Shield Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
I think Buz' point is, that no matter what god does, it follows his/her rules and just shows his/her power.
God CAN microwave a burrito so hot, that even he himself cannot hold it, though that dosent mean that he cannot hold it. Contradictions are not contradictions, as long as you have faith.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
If God is Jesus father and God didn't marry Mary, then what other conclusion can there possibly be?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Brian writes: If God is Jesus father and God didn't marry Mary, then what other conclusion can there possibly be? 1. If God be supreme majesty and creator/designer of the all that is in the universe, it is the supreme majesty who determines what is legitimate and what is not. God sets the rules and parameters of what is good and what is evil. 2. It was the multi present, multipurpose power agent of God which is sent by God throughout the universe to do the work that God purposes to do. The Holy Spirit is not a person. It/he is in a sense that part of God which did things like the work of creation when planet earth was visited as a void waste to become the beautifully designed planet which we live on. It is this spirit/power of God which effected the birth of a holy son in a virgin human creature tainted with the inherent sin nature, inherited from Adam, the first man. 3. The virgin birth was not a natural birth which one could make a rational judgment on as to legitimacy. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
You're right Rbp and I've elaborated on your point. Thanks.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
So what you are saying is that God secretly amended the laws on legitimacy to create a convenient exception for himself. Why is it better to assume additional immorality on God's part rather than just accept that Jesus was technically illegitimate ?
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
If God be supreme majesty and creator/designer of the all that is in the universe, it is the supreme majesty who determines what is legitimate and what is not. God sets the rules and parameters of what is good and what is evil. So when a Christian states that God is good, that is merely true by definition?
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5529 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
Technically speaking, wasn't Jesus a semi-orphan?
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Shield Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
How would he be an orphan? He had his mother and his father. His father is present everywhere according to most christian beliefs.
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
quote: If she was born again she would be the bride of Christ - who is God. Meaning she would have indeed been married to God. The question is, I suppose, was Mary born again? Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
quote: If it is true that God is the definition of good (or standard against which you measure other things to see how good they are) then I can't see how the word "merely" belongs in your statement. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5529 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
If God created Jesus as his son and the Bible says that Jesus is God, doesn't that mean that currently there are 2 Gods: God + Jesus?
And more importantly the underlying question: Can God create another God? Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
quote: If the Bible said that God created Jesus as his son then that would appear to be the case. It doesn't say that however.
quote: An eternally existing God couldn't create another eternally existing God. Whatever he created couldn't, thus, be God (if "eternally existing" is a feature of what God is) Edited by iano, : No reason given. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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