Was Jesus A Legitimate Child?

Then is Jesus God or not?

Yes Jesus is God (the son). But he wasn't created by God (the father).Edited by iano, : No reason given.

That doesn't seem to make too much sense. If God is the father of Jesus(which you claim is also God), how wasn't Jesus created by God? What kind of father is God if he didn't create his own son?? To me that sounds like bullshit.Edit: Are you saying that Jesus is not created by his Father(God) but existed eternally? But then how could he be a son of God if they are both eternal? Is the Bible lying and how many gods are there anyway?Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

Jesus is not an illegitimate child on two grounds.1. He was legally the son of Joseph who adopted him even before he was born by taking Mary to wife.2. Theologically, God is the husband of Israel and therefore, by extension, of Mary, who, in this instance, represents Israel.

You are running up against Trinitarian theology. Jesus was "begotten, not created". He was "begotten of the Father before all worlds" whereas creation takes place in time. And he is "of one substance with the Father" therefore not a different god, nor a creation which is made of a different substance.He enters time when he is "conceived of the Holy Spirit" in the womb of Mary and made flesh, being born in the form of a human being.As to the incarnation, I think it is helpful to remember that the biblical writers and Church fathers did not have the same understanding of reproduction as we do. We think of the substance of a child as coming equally from both parents, since both contribute to equally to the child's genetic make-up. But in ancient times the woman was not seen as contributing anything to the substance of the child at all. Her only contribution was the womb in which the embryo developed. The embryo was thought to be provided entirely through the father's seed.It is also interesting that the traditional terminology is not that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, but that Jesus was "conceived" by the Holy Spirit in the womb of Mary. No doubt this is to distinguish the incarnation from the eternal production of the Word who was "begotten" by the Father before all ages i.e.before time itself. Jesus was not begotten on Mary, for he was eternally begotten of the Father before creation. But he was conceived in Mary in order to be made flesh.

So let’s see what we have about Jesus. He was “begotten” same thing as “sired” by God. He is also 1/3 of the trinity that makes up God as a whole, so he is God. God is the father of Israel, so Mary would be a daughter of God. If she was reborn in Christ, she would be the bride of Christ. So Mary conceived a being who was her father, her husband and her child. Wow and I thought West Virginia was a little backwards.

Jesus was born to a single mother, was part of a gang, had violent outbursts, hung out with prostitutes, was in trouble with the authorities and died violently in his early thirties.OMG!...Jesus was from South London!

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God didn't create Jesus. Jesus was the only born son of God. According to the OT, the book of Job chapter 1 says that there were other sons of God. These were created. Jesus was the only on born of God by his spirit. Jesus progenated from both God and from humanity, thus he is referred to in scripture as "the only begotten of the Father" and the "son of man."

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi, Iano. This seems to create more problems than it solves. When somebody says, "God is good," they mean it to imply that He is treating them well and taking good care of them, etc., and they put their trust in Him because of this. But, if "good" is just a synonym of "God," then it doesn't actually mean that God is going to take care of them, or that His rules are correct and just.In fact, it would mean that He could apply any standard He felt like applying to any situation He wanted, and we couldn't actually trust Him to deliver on any of His deals or to be fair and just in His judgement.Judging by Buzsaw's responses, that is exactly what is happening: God is giving Himself personal privilege (adultery) where He has explicitly forbidden us the same, but this behavior is still "good" because it is the behavior of God.I do not believe in such a God, and I would rather go to Hell to spite such a God than to do what He demands just so I can spend eternity in blissful Heaven.

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In a more historical context, I've heard it hypothesized that Jesus was an illegitimate child, as in, Mary had sex with someone other than Joseph. Perhaps Joseph was somewhat magnanimous in continuing the relationship, or maybe he was keen on minimizing or otherwise dealing with potential scandal. Later in Jesus' life, after he became known as a healer and cult leader, did the stories of his Virgin Birth spring up to relate to his nonstandard parentage. This makes the most sense in a historical and nonmagical context.If we do try to understand the Virgin Birth from the context of Christianity, I would suppose the term 'illegitimate' is somewhat meaningless, as it relates to the human cultural paradigm of wedlock which God would be unable to participate.

To be honest, the Virgin Birth story probably came from a misunderstanding of Isaiah (largely due to poor translation into Greek) and the Gospel writer's insistence on finding parallels to OT writings.The Nativity accounts in Luke and Matthew are so different that at least one (in my view both) must be wrong.

This seems to create more problems than it solves . If this is what they mean and everyone has a different version of what being "treated well" means then one mans good God is another mans bad. "Just" (merely?) a synonym? From their perspective they might not feel God is taking care of them. Indeed God might not be taking care of them (in a sense they would like). As to correct and just? They go the way of good. Synonymous with God True to say that goodness, fairness and justice can be defined either one-God-centrically or (your preferred option it seems) 6-billion-homocentrically. That he could doesn't at all mean he does - it would all depend upon the nature of God I suppose. Perhaps he acts according to his nature - just like everyone else. If, as the Bible suggests is the case, the law was given so that sinners would become conscious of sin. And God is not capable of sinning (because sin would be defined as acting against Gods will - which God patently cannot do ) could you tell me how God comes under the juristiction of his law? You don't seem to be talking about a God who saves you for free - without you having to do a thing to be saved or to remain saved. In which case we are not talking about the same God. Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Most, if not all of us will not go to heaven. Welcome to the club .EDIT: it seems the most intelligent will be coming my way, it's nice to have intelligent company(be it in hell)Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

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Most, if not all of us will not go to heaven. Welcome to the club.

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Too late, I'm already in.

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EDIT: it seems the most intelligent will be coming my way, it's nice to have intelligent company (be it in hell)

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The ability to relate with others and enjoy doing so are functions of your being made in the image of God. He is relational and he enjoys - thus you (currently) do. Once that image is removed from you there is only you the sinner left.It's the removal of what you take for granted which will go to making Hell Hell. "Lakes of fire" is, I strongly suspect, a way to convey the horror of such an existance

Mary had no sex with anyone. Mary had a little egg which was miraculously fertilized aside from any sex act by spirit having no sex organs.This debate is sooo ludicrous. I can't believe the absurdity of the cristophobic arguments some people come up with. NOTE: I edited out the words, "of you," after reading the message more carefully as it appears that this quote does not necessarily reflect the messenger's opinion.Welcome to EvC, Mylacovich. My apologies for carelessness in reading. Edited by Buzsaw, : Correct error

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.