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Author Topic:   update: freedom found, natural selection theory pushed aside
Syamsu 
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Message 209 of 224 (480821)
09-06-2008 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Straggler
09-06-2008 4:16 PM


Re: The Importance of Brains
I don't know more about it then yourself.

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Message 211 of 224 (480834)
09-06-2008 7:29 PM
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09-06-2008 6:56 PM


Re: The Importance of Brains
You should be able to answer that question yourself by now. If toothbrushes decide then dead brainless mice decide too. Perhaps this is incorrect, it doesn't really seem to matter to the point at issue. They decide their state themselves or a decider decides their state for them, creationism would still be true, because freedom would still be true.

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Message 213 of 224 (480866)
09-07-2008 9:59 AM
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09-07-2008 9:08 AM


Re: The Importance of Brains
that was already asked and answered a couple of times.
You still seem to be stuck with a concept of freedom that is not spiritual, that inhibits your understanding. The thing can go left or right, the decision is free, so theres nothing predetermining either way. So what decides is spiritual, and can only be known subjectively. You just need to follow common knowledge, in which goodness and badness for instance can make a decision, while we know we cant know good and bad objectively. So you see a brain does not decide at all really, nothing decides, that is objective fact.

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Message 217 of 224 (480901)
09-07-2008 2:55 PM
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09-07-2008 1:00 PM


Re: The Importance of Brains
The decision comes from nothing and nowhere, as I have said repeatedly, which is a scientific fact proven by anticipation theory.
As before, the logic does not work any other way, because we can't have anything at all predetermining the decision, because then it wouldn't actually be a decision, then it would be forced and not free. So nothing, zero, does not predetermine, and therefore it is suitable for decisions to be there.
And you all very well know that the cutting edge science of love as brainfunction is pseudoscience. The rule for science not to speak about what ought and ought not is a dead letter with a science of love. Why is it that many of those sciencefans do not follow daily rites in sustaining faith, sustaining their subjective opinion about what ought and ought not ?

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Syamsu 
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Message 220 of 224 (480915)
09-07-2008 6:01 PM
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09-07-2008 5:37 PM


Re: The Importance of Brains
As said before, creationism would still be true if inanimate things did not decide, because freedom would still be real.
so inanimate things don't decide, only brains decide, creationism is true
inanimate things decide, brains also decide, creationism is true
I hope this is clear to you now after telling you 4 times or so.

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Syamsu 
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Message 221 of 224 (480917)
09-07-2008 6:17 PM
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09-07-2008 6:00 PM


Re: Who is Making the Decisions Here?
Yes you are just not reading my posts. Professor Dubois really is a notable scientist, and it really is a first for some scientist to explain free will mathematically like that. So regardless of the merit of my argument, you should not blunder into something that is new and respected in science with your I've seen it all before attitude.
post 50 - the decision comes from nothing, ie there is no brain, or knowledge, or any substance or process at the origin, there is instead nothing
post 63 - And to observe anything in consideration of it coming from nothing by decision from the spiritual domain
post 199 - That means we must trace back the likelyhood of the elephant coming to be to zero, finding all decisions along the way

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