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Author Topic:   So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work? (SUM. MESSAGES ONLY)
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Message 62 of 396 (438193)
12-03-2007 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Beretta
12-03-2007 9:51 AM


Neither
It may look designed but that is an illusion because we know there is no God!! Fact or philosophy?
It,in fact, does not look designed at all. Not in the sense that you are using. If you think it does please post in the following thread after you have read it over.
Distinguishing "designs"

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Message 150 of 396 (480980)
09-08-2008 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Buzsaw
09-08-2008 8:40 AM


bent bars
That space allegedy has the property of curvature does not explain the magic of how it allegedly would reconnect the bar's ends without bending the bar. What model has science concocted to show that to be possible?
General Relativity. And it works very, very, very well.

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Message 152 of 396 (480985)
09-08-2008 10:48 AM
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09-08-2008 10:34 AM


Re: bent bars
The unanswered question remains; what properties of space render space capable of connecting the two ends of an absolute straight unbended bar?
The bar is straight in space but the property of space of interest is that the space itself is bent. "Straight" is defined within this space.
I think Buz, you'll just have to nod and take it at that. The math of GR is beyond me (I tried) and I'm sure just as beyond you. If you want details then ask cavediver for them.

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Message 156 of 396 (481007)
09-08-2008 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Buzsaw
09-08-2008 12:27 PM


Cutting the mustard and defining level
The analogy lyx2no gives is very apt Buz. As expected you just don't get it.
Lets say you construct a fence and use a very, very, very good level that is about 20 feet long. You check each 20 foot length and determine that is is dead level within the error bars that you can measure (hell, let's make that error zero for this example). You keep doing this for miles and miles and miles. At all points the fence is absolutely dead level but at some point it will be at right angles to where you started.
The way we define level is something like "at right angles to the local gravity field". But the "down directions" defined by this are not parallel.
We define straight within the space around us in an analogous way. Something is perfectly straight but if the space isn't "flat" then our intuition doesn't count.
An absolute straight unbended bar 10,000 miles long resting on one point of the surface of the earth would have two opposite ends extending out into the atmosphere.
This just shows how far away from having any clue at all you are. lyx2no was using level on the surface of the earth in his example as an analogy for straight in spacetime. You switched level with straight which totally wrecks the analogy. The reason you did this is because you don't understand it at all. And you never, ever will.
Buz, you are simply wrong on this. I think you'd look less silly if you just realized that and got real quiet on the subject.

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Message 206 of 396 (496668)
01-29-2009 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Agobot
01-29-2009 7:39 PM


Emergent properties
I am not one who votes for having you stay on this thread.
You demonstrated you utter lack of understanding of emergent properties with, for one:
You know how energy can fly in flocks? Care to explain this miraculous bit?
and demonstrated with it that you continue to reply with nonsense and non-sequiturs.

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