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Author Topic:   Have complex human-made things been designed?
bluescat48
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Message 3 of 85 (480323)
09-02-2008 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by andorg
09-02-2008 8:09 AM


Let's see examples of the most complex human-made things like: modern Nokia mobile phone, Boing 747 airplane, Windows-XP operating system, and let's asks the following question: have these very complex systems been designed?
Wikipedia
Design
Design, usually considered in the context of the applied arts, engineering, architecture, and other such creative endeavors, is used both as a noun and a
verb. As a verb, "to design" refers to the process of originating and developing a plan for a product, structure, system, or component. As a noun, "a design"
is used for both the final (solution) plan (e.g. proposal, drawing, model, description) or the result of implementing that plan (e.g. object produced, result of
the process). More recently, processes (in general) have also been treated as products of design, giving new meaning to the term "process design".
Babylon
evolve
v. develop, gradually change or mature over time; be developed, be changed
The point to manmade objects would be :
1) Yes they are designed originally in their primitive form.
2) They evolve to the more modern type.
thus DOS was designed but evolved to Windows XP through various steps ie Windows 1, Windows 95, Windows 98 etc.
Still this would in no way give evidence for or against a designer intelligent or otherwise in regard to life. Still no evidence for ID.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 23 of 85 (480456)
09-03-2008 5:07 PM
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09-03-2008 4:37 PM


Re: many errors in your comments
According to the Bible, all of the components of DNA were present before God used them to create organisms.
Chapter & verse please.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 28 of 85 (480485)
09-03-2008 11:16 PM
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09-03-2008 9:01 PM


Re: chapter and verse
Where does it mention phosphate ions, ribose, deoxyribose, uracil etc?

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Message 40 of 85 (480715)
09-05-2008 5:40 PM
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09-05-2008 1:02 PM


Re: Some notes on your tactics
Then who pray tell is the intelligent designer?
As of now I fail to see any evidence of a designer.
At its root, faith is trust. There are two types of trust and faith. One is blind and the other is not. Evos often have the false understanding that all faith is blind where actually most faith is not blind, but is built over time with evidentiary support. Note: not all evidence is empirical.
is built over time with evidentiary support
such as?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 52 of 85 (481109)
09-09-2008 12:11 PM
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09-09-2008 11:58 AM


Re: Bad Analogies !
Abiogenesis and spontaneous generation has never died even though it was disproved 150 years ago. It is a religious default philosophy in light of the discovery of the law of biogenesis.
What does it take to get it through your head that spontaneous generation & abiogenisis are not the same thing. Spontaneous generation implied that one substance ie. rotting meat became maggots. Abiogenisis is life coming from organic & inorganic chemical substances coming together with the help of catalists such as lightning, ultraviolet radiation & nuclear radiation.
as for the creationist view what is more abiogenetic than "God said...
Edited by bluescat48, : spelling and added line.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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