The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread

am I missing something here? What's the whole point to this 'discussion'?

There is a small chance that Buz may have an epiphany and we're hoping we can be there for it. Not to mention that it's kind of fun to wank on him.

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KindlyWhen I was young I loved everything about cigarettes: the smell, the taste, the feel . everything. Now that I’m older I’ve had a change of heart. Want to see the scar?

So far as I can tell Buzsaw intends this thread as an example of the high quality of ID science.(Don't say you weren't warned).

No tools needed to know it's straight enough so as for it's two ends not to join.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. To determine what property/properties of space have the ability to curve/be curved.2. To determine what property/properties of space have the ability to cause the joining of the two ends of a bar or line of which all dimensions are unbended and absolute straight.ABE: Make that "bar" and drop the "line" since lines can either be 2 dimensional imaginary or 3 dimensional lines consisting of material. Thanks to Huntard for pointing this out to me. Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Oh, I have to ask this, Buz - are you claiming you can do this by eye?

that's not your purpose here buz. You never want to discuss the finer points of science without attempting to show how science is wrong, creationism is right, and thus god is real or some such bullshit.So what's your motive here. That's what I was asking. I can clearly see what you all are discussing, but not the why. If you don't feel like answering, then why the hell did you reply and then proceed to evade my question?

Hey Buzsaw, there is something I don't quite understand. What do you mean by: Doesn't a bar have only three dimensions, and a line only 2? What do you mean by "unbended in all dimensions".

I don't think you have the slightest clue as to the enormity of the chore you wave away. It is unlikely that using your finest straight edge and your sharpest scribe you would be able to etch a one foot long line that the two end points and the center point would not describe a radius less then that of Earth, yet alone the Universe. To use your own example of the 555' 5.125" (169.29 m) tall Washington monument, a deviation from plumb of only 0.0885 inches (2.25 mm) would describe a ring with one Earth radius. You're right, buz, it wouldn't span the Universe and bump into itself. It won't make it all the way across the planet before it does.Tell me, Buz, When you look at the moon, is the line you are sighting a straight one? When the moon sits on the horizon your line of sight is off straight by 2,800 miles, Buz. If you don't notice 2,800 miles deviation due to atmospheric diffraction between here and the moon, how do you think you're going notice a deviation of minor fractions of your bar over universal distances?To anyone else: Please don't get the idea that I'm thinking this is merely a measurements problem. I'm currently just trying to get Buzsaw to see that his intuitive understanding is not adequate for the task at hand.Edited by lyx2no, : Needless worry.

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KindlyWhen I was young I loved everything about cigarettes: the smell, the taste, the feel . everything. Now that I’m older I’ve had a change of heart. Want to see the scar?

Hi cavediver,
Just a quick side note. Why is it that we redifine c and G to equal 1 as opposed to keeping their original values? Also did you ever answer what it would be like if r<3M? I would like to know. Thanks

Here's the opener in my OP, Kuresu. It's very close to my update. If you have a problem with that, why not respond in substance to the update or go and participate where you you're more confortable?

I believe you're right on that, Huntard. Thank you for correcting me on that.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

No, but unlike some, (ahem) I haven't lost half of my logic, realism and sense marbles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The sad truth is you are simply embaressing yourself. That you are willing to stick your neck out and claim that all scientists who work in this area are deluded, and you are correct, just shows what an sad idiot you have become. Have some decorum, and find another subject to discuss.

I know you buz. You've got some purpose behind all this. You're not interested in simple debate over science. And you won't say what your true goal here is. To paraphrase Rrhain in Open Mind's thread, you're playing a game of 'gotcha' that depends on a set-up. From what I've read, your set-up is wrong, so you're 'gotcha' is going to be hilariously stupid.Quite frankly, I don't know anything about physics, so I stay out of it. Words for the wise, perhaps?Since you're wrong, why can't you admit it?ABE:I just realized this was the free for all thread. So that means you don't have to answer and I don't have to comply with you. So if I really, really wanted to, I could make your life in this thread living hell.You want to know what property of space makes the bar bend back to itself? They've told you, a million times over. Curvature is (if I understand correctly) a property of space. That's the property responsible. Personally, I think cavediver or somebody with time and understanding should just post the mathematical proof if that's even possible.Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.