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Open MInd
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Message 170 of 224 (482417)
09-16-2008 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Straggler
09-16-2008 2:36 PM


Re: Good and Evil
You have no definition of good and evil. Therefore, as far as you are concerned, these concepts do not even exist.

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Message 174 of 224 (482459)
09-16-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Blue Jay
09-16-2008 4:31 PM


Re: Good and Evil
You did not explain your religion to me. All you said is that you do not know what G-d is. Then you said that your religion requires little in the way of thinking. You then projected your religion onto religions in general. I do not hear you talking much about your religion. I am open to the challenge. I am open minded in the sense that I am willing to believe a religion altogether. The rest of this site is full of people that only believe what they can comprehend with their very small minds.

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Message 175 of 224 (482460)
09-16-2008 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Straggler
09-16-2008 3:20 PM


Re: Good and Evil
If you understood more about Judaism you would realize that this question makes no sense. The answer in short is that the Torah cannot contradict the goodness of G-d, and G-d cannot contradict the Torah. It is as simple as that. G-d only does good. He gave us the Torah so we can do good. Also, please point me to the thread where you discuss your opinion on good and evil.
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Message 177 of 224 (482466)
09-16-2008 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Straggler
09-16-2008 6:42 PM


Re: Good and Evil
I have a proof that anything that you can make up about good and evil or morals for that matter, makes no logical sense. If we are just an arrangement of atoms, with no free will, we are no different than any other chemical that exists. You cannot speak of a good molecule and a bad molecule because molecules do not have any intent. They are forced to do what they do. Therefore, a human cannot have any intent, and it is just forced to do what it does.
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Message 180 of 224 (482474)
09-16-2008 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Straggler
09-16-2008 7:13 PM


Re: Good and Evil
That is correct. I know what many of your responses will be and I will post refutations as they come.

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Message 181 of 224 (482475)
09-16-2008 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Straggler
09-16-2008 7:11 PM


Re: Good and Evil
Straggler writes:
Oh God
Very interesting
Now can you explain how complex will give free will. This one I want to hear.

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Message 184 of 224 (482479)
09-16-2008 7:42 PM
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09-16-2008 7:13 PM


Re: Good and Evil
Just a side question: Why do you think such a complicated world was created with such simple explanations? Many people acknowledge the complexity of the world, but expect the religious aspect behind the creation to be extremely simple. This makes no sense. If you believe that G-d created this complicated world, you would think that a religion that comes along with the world would be very complex as well. Why do you then expect very simple answers to all of your questions? This is why I laughed so hard when Bluejay said religions are for people that don't want to use the brain. A religion that is correct about the purpose of this world must be at least as complicated as the world itself.

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Message 185 of 224 (482480)
09-16-2008 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Straggler
09-16-2008 7:38 PM


Re: Good and Evil
Uh how does G-d kill if humans can't? Was I right?

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Message 186 of 224 (482482)
09-16-2008 7:45 PM
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09-16-2008 7:39 PM


Re: Good and Evil
Nothing has free will other than a human being.

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Message 190 of 224 (482490)
09-16-2008 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Straggler
09-16-2008 7:55 PM


Re: Good and Evil
If you read Genesis carefully you will see that G-d warns Adam not to eat from the "tree of knowledge" and says that on the day that he eats from it he will die. But guess what, Adam lives on. How are these apparently contradictory accounts resolved. The answer is that Adam has caused Mortality to enter the creation by eating from the tree. By disobeying the commandments, Adam was the first one to bring evil into the world. The world is gravely affected by sins. The sins themselves actually cause the apparent evil in the world. This is easily seen by some of the sins. The Torah says not to kill another human. It is obvious how this sin has an impact on the world. The evil is clear. Some other sins may not have such easily seen effects. However, they are all there inside the creation.
Some atheists have trouble resolving contradictions in the Torah. They feel that a contradiction indicates falsehood of the text. However, this is nonsense if the contradiction is so blatant that even a fool would not have left it there, let alone the crafty people that are trying to start a religion. Also, since I have told you that the world is very complicated, and religion should be no less complicated , there is a fine line between interpretations and apologetics.
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Message 192 of 224 (482493)
09-16-2008 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Straggler
09-16-2008 8:23 PM


Re: Good and Evil
Straggler writes:
Is that a lie?
NO! Did you read my full post? On the day that Adam ate from the tree he was given . If not for this sin he would have lived forever.

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Message 193 of 224 (482495)
09-16-2008 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Straggler
09-16-2008 7:59 PM


Re: Good and Evil
The amount of forces acting on the chimpanzee is enormous compared with that of planets. Furthermore, humans have an influence on chimpanzee behavior. Since humans have free will, you cannot predict the behavior of a chimpanzee without knowing all the human interactions with it.
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Message 195 of 224 (482497)
09-16-2008 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Straggler
09-16-2008 7:53 PM


Re: Good and Evil
I am giving the assumption that G-d created the world. Assuming this, G-d created all of the complexity as well, or he at least guided the complexity as it formed by initiating the world in a way that would lead to this complexity. I am pointing out how people are not being rational by assuming that a very very simple religion should explain a very very complex world. Again, I am assuming that G-d created this world and the religion behind it. I assume that the religion would be at least as complex as the world because they would both be created by the same Being.

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Message 196 of 224 (482498)
09-16-2008 8:37 PM
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09-16-2008 8:29 PM


Re: Good and Evil
Are you dying as we speak? Yes. Life is what I call a terminal illness. Mortality is happening to every human every second of the day. On that day, Adam began to die.
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Message 197 of 224 (482499)
09-16-2008 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Straggler
09-16-2008 8:29 PM


Re: Good and Evil
Sorry, some words are just not coming up on my screen even after I type them. The word D E A T H seems to be erasing whenever I type it.

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