Mike writes:
Purpose of motive has been proven to exist in the physical universe. I refer to a "extra cause" being present within an event.
It seems that you are arguing the "Five Ways" according to St. Thomas Aquinas.
- First Way: The Argument of Motion
- Nothing can move itself.
- If every object in motion has a mover then the first object had a mover.
- The first mover is the immovable mover, God.
- Second Way: Causation Effect
- Things exist that were caused by other things.
- Nothing can cause itself.
- There cannot be an endless string of things causing other things.
- Therefore god must be the first cause.
Thomas goes on to list other factors and observations as part of his "logic" as to the "proof" of god/creator. It seems that Thomas based his "arguments" on the teachings of Aristotle.
I believe however, that the philosopher Parmenides was the first to offer the argument "Ex nihil nihil fit", or "From nothing, comes nothing". (A quick search on google shows I am correct about Parmenides (at least according to the web).)
I haven't read the "Five Ways" for sometime, but I've seen the argument enough times to recognize it quite readily, especially given the context here.
I could be incorrect about the order and exact wording, but it's one in the morning and I'm too lazy to research it much at this point, please forgive me if my memory is a bit fuzzy, and do point out if/where I am incorrect.
Edited by Dash on the Darkside, : Because I'm a moron and apparently I don't know how to format a list correctly.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, that's just how your god made me.