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Coyote
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Message 34 of 86 (482017)
09-13-2008 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by mike the wiz
09-13-2008 2:17 PM


Not a silly heated argument...
Where are examples of designs being dropped for new ones.
Here is one.

Fossil: KNM-ER 3733
Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)
Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)
Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)
Species Name:
Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8),
Homo erectus (3, 4, 7),
Homo erectus ergaster (25)
Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)
Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)
Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)
Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)
See original source for notes:
Source: Default 404 | Museum of Science, Boston

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 63 of 86 (483095)
09-20-2008 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by dunsapy
09-19-2008 11:52 PM


What do you think?
I think you have a complete non-sequitur.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 66 of 86 (483103)
09-20-2008 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by dunsapy
09-20-2008 12:11 AM


Explanation
I think you have a complete non-sequitur.
Please explain.
Sure. You wrote:
If science did discover how life started and could show it by experiment.
All that, would prove, is that life needed intelligence to make life. A creator.
What a scientist does some four billion years after the fact does not change that fact.
If life arose from natural causes and agents, the fact that a scientist can replicate that series of events at a later date does not change that original series of events into something different.
Suggesting that because a scientist four billion years later can replicate those events certainly would not show that those original events were caused by an intelligence.
The two events are unrelated, hence a non-sequitur.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 70 of 86 (483107)
09-20-2008 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by dunsapy
09-20-2008 12:48 AM


Further explanation
But scientists doing the experiment only can show that , it takes intelligence to do it.
Not so.
When a scientist creates, for example, water from H and O2 in the laboratory that does not prove, nor even suggest, that all water everywhere was created by a scientist, by an intelligence, or in a laboratory. It does show one pathway by which water could be created. That is about all.
Attributing causation is a complete non-sequitur. The events are unrelated.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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