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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I have a proof that anything that you can make up about good and evil or morals for that matter, makes no logical sense. If we are just an arrangement of atoms, with no free will, we are no different than any other chemical that exists. Oh God not you as well.Is this the latest creationist craze? To insist that anyone who does not believe in God must also believe that mechanistic determinism is true and that freewill does not exist? Maybe we are an arrangement of atoms so complex that we do have freewill? Have you ever even considered that possibility?
You cannot speak of a good molecule and a bad molecule because molecules do not have any intent. Well at least we agree on that. You should however talk to Syamsu....... Apparently molecules, toothbrushes, paperclips and all sorts of other parephenalia have both intent and decision making capacity. Apparently this is the crux of the creationist argument. According to Syamsu anyway. You two really should get together
They are forced to do what they do. Forced? By who/what?
Therefore, a human cannot either have any intent, and it is just forced to do what it does. Really? Well that would explain why I kep responding to your posts. Despite my better judgement......... This is really off topic. Maybe you should start a new thread?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
The answer in short is that the Torah cannot contradict the goodness of G-d, and G-d cannot contradict the Torah. It is as simple as that. G-d only does good. He gave us the Torah so we can do good. Are you saying that at no point has God ever done any of the things that the Torah tells us we should not do? Just so you do not forget. Here is the question you previously ignored.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
That is correct. I know what many of your responses will be and I will post refutations as they come. Really? What will my first one be then?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Very interesting Now can you explain how complex will give free will. This one I want to hear. Well what object, mineral, vegetable or animal can you give as an example of something, that in your opinion, does not have freewill?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I have no idea what this has to do with the topic or my questions but - Science would suggest that life the universe and everything was derived from simplicity and that complexity has evolved from simple beginnings. In a very very very broad nutshell.
We now have 3 seperate (if related) lines of questioning in one thread. Lets filter and condense.....? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Uh how does G-d kill if humans can't? Was I right? Not really but we can start there if it makes you happy. So what does the Torah say specifically about killing? If anything? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Nothing has free will other than a human being. Really. Interesting. So are you saying that all other matter (animal, mineral or vegetable) should behave equally predictably and deterministically? If not what makes the behaviour of some things more difficult (even impossible!!) to predict than others? Planetary orbits Vs chimpanzee behaviour for example?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Uh how does G-d kill if humans can't? Was I right? Not really but we can start there if it makes you happy. So what does the Torah say specifically about killing? If anything? So how about answering the question then?
If you read Genesis carefully you will see that G-d warns Adam not to eat from the "tree of knowledge" and says that on the day that he eats from it he will die. Is that a lie?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Now you know the Torah/Bible/Whatever better than me but....
You said
If you read Genesis carefully you will see that G-d warns Adam not to eat from the "tree of knowledge" and says that on the day that he eats from it he will die. "on the day that he eats from it"..........?
NO! Did you read my full post? On the day that Adam ate from the tree he was given . If not for this sin he would have lived forever. So did he die on that fateful day or not? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Are you dying as we speak? Yes. Life is what I call a terminal illness. Mortality is happening to every human every second of the day. On that day, Adam began to die. No. Actually I am immortal. But don't tell anyone else.
If you read Genesis carefully you will see that G-d warns Adam not to eat from the "tree of knowledge" and says that on the day that he eats from it he will die Now I don't know what the Torah sayd so I am genuinely asking but you do seem to be contradicting yourself when you say "that on the day that he eats from it he will die" is the same as dying several years later. In fact was Adam not supposed to live hundreds of years or something equally silly? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Adam was immortal when he was created. On that day he became mortal. Is hardly the same as saying "that on the day that he eats from it he will die". Is it? I am sure you will argue that this should be interpreted to fit in with the rest of your fantasy. I'll leave you to it. This is going nowhere. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Therefore, I think that these stories prove that the Torah was not written as a hoax. However it remains possible that such texts were written by the deluded for the deluded
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