do you really Believe we are damned?

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I merely would contend that something like what I described was evidence, and quite objective within its limited context.

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From what I can tell, the evidence was not objective in any context-- not your grandmother and the baseball cards, but the religious experiences.------------------
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Some even say that the Hebrew word is interchangeable?

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Just a short note. As far as I can tell, the word used for 'day' in Genesis does not also have an alternate meaning of 'long span of time.' I asked a Rabbi once, and he looked at me like I was insane. However, if you use the word in its plural form, it can have such a meaning. ( Go figure? ) I bring this up because people have presented me with verses from the Bible which prove that 'day' can mean 'a long span of time.' The verses presented read 'days' not 'day.'------------------
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You are right... Bible verses cannot prove that 'day' can mean 'a long span of time'. However, physics can...

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BS. Physics can't prove a damn thing about the meaning of a word in old book.

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and Einstien did, with "Law of Relativity".

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Not really. I bet you can't get even close to a plausible scenario which incorporates relativity and explains Genesis. But that is irrelevant. The authors of Genesis weren't refering to relativity. They didn't know about it.

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there's a thought.

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Not much of one. It reminds me of those brilliant insights people have while stoned.------------------
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but physics can prove and idea of a time flow in one place being different from time flow in another place with different gravitational pull.

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Gravitational pull? hmmm... I believe that would be 'with a different velocity.' It isn't the same thing.

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No, they were not. They were refering to heaven and earth, meaning our universe (according to my religion). Relativity is a part of the laws of our universe.

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Interesting that you skipped the challenge-- the real meaty bit of my post. See. That is what is so irritating about einstein/genesis/six-day/relativity claims. You can't make it work without massacring both Genesis and relativity.

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You should try to think outside of the box sometimes.

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I believe that phrase was invented by a group of people while sitting around getting stoned.

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Yeh, it is easy to follow the scientific process.

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You'd think so wouldn't you? Apparently it isn't all that easy, or we'd see more of it. It is probably just too much work to bother with evidence and logic and complete thoughts...

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But people who made any progress, even in science, had tremendous imaginagion.

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Of course, it doesn't follow that tremendous imagination equals progress.

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Let's take the same Einstein for example. He wasn't good just because he new the formulas, he was good because of his concepts (which he proved with those formulas).

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So prove that you are good with your concepts and flesh out the einstein/six-days claim.------------------
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If you look in this thing called the bible, if you know a littlea bout it, you will realize that its original language was not in fact English, but Hebrew...

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... which we don't have. The oldest we've got is the Greek Septuagint.

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so when it gets translated....their word for day....might have 5 different translations when it gets to our language, and vise versa.

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Might? You don't know?Allow me to point you to other discussions of this idea. EvC Forum: When God said day did he mean an actually 24hour day?EvC Forum: "Creation Science" on astrophysics?EvC Forum: Why, if god limited man's life to 120 years, did people live longer?EvC Forum: If we are all descended from Noah ...EvC Forum: Interesting Questions for ChristiansWhy the quibble about relativity? Its just a name. We say "theory of relativity" and "Newton's Laws of Motion." Relativity is as well supported as Newton's laws. In fact, relativity works where Newton's laws don't.
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What about the masoretic texts?

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'bout 1000 AD. Much latter than the Septuagint.

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These were copied by the masoretes(they lived 300-700 years before the Septuagint would of been translated)

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That would put them around 1000 BC. That is wrong. The group known as the masoretes editted and distributed the text between the first and tenth centuries AD. The oldest we've got is from appr. the 9th century.

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They used a complex set of notes called Masorah.

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The Masorah are comments about the text. They represent a thousand years of interpretation, not a guarantee of virginity.

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I'm not a Hebrew or Greek scholar, but I know for fact that there are different hebrew words for "God" and they all carry different meanings.

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I don't get the point.

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Also, through the years of writing the BIble, I dont suppose that their language might change some?

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Of course the language changed with time. But I don't get the point.

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Yes, im sure they are both well supported. But something well supported doesnt necesarily make it true (im not saying that those theories are not true)

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Please be specific. What two theories? What support? And of course well supported doesn't make something true, but it is better than not supported at all.------------------
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