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Author Topic:   Flow Chart from DNA to Amino Acid
NOT JULIUS
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Message 1 of 23 (484028)
09-25-2008 7:47 PM


Hello,
I just want to post a flow chart that I did based on my limited research from DNA to Protein to possibility of life. My questions are:
1) How can I post the flow-chart if I'm allowed?
2) Would members be kind enough to make corrections thereto?
3) Can I accompany the flow chart with just 6 or so questions without me replying. ( I just want to know what's on the mind of some members).

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NOT JULIUS
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Message 3 of 23 (484125)
09-26-2008 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by RAZD
09-25-2008 9:11 PM


flow chart
Here's is the two-page flow chart. Thanks, Razd & Asqara.
Edited by Doubting Too, : not working
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NOT JULIUS
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Message 5 of 23 (484131)
09-26-2008 4:47 PM
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09-26-2008 4:23 PM


Re: flow chart
Hi A,
Please check if it works now.
DT

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NOT JULIUS
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Message 7 of 23 (484135)
09-26-2008 4:55 PM
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09-26-2008 4:50 PM


Re: flow chart
Hi Mr J,
I think I've followed your format--based on peek. Like this?

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NOT JULIUS
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Message 9 of 23 (484142)
09-26-2008 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by NOT JULIUS
09-26-2008 4:55 PM


Re: flow chart from DNA to Protein to Life
I hope you are able to access the flow chart ( #3 message). And, I hope that my flow chart explains the basic transformation from DNA to protein to life. If not, please correct.
My related questions both to IDs and believers in evolution are:
1. DNA is called the book of life. Can anyone make a book--that makes sense--by just throwing letters randomly?
2. Genetic codes and information are embedded in DNA. Is not intelligence required to decode and process information?
3. The cell has a "complex copying" machine that replicates DNA's to RNAs. Which is more reasonable to believe that intelligence was needed to make that copying machine, or was it random chance that did it?
4. The actual process from DNA to protein to life is a million times more complicated than this flowchart. As this flow chart required intelligence (though limited) to make, so should the more complex process require intelligence. Agree / Disagree? Please give reason.
5. What did Miller's failed experiment in 1953 prove?
a) that it requires blind chance to produce "left handed" amino acids--the building block of life? Or, did it prove that the chance of life coming to existence by mere chance is mathematically impossible?
6. Darwinian evolution--as taught in school--says that all living things came to existence because of unguided natural processes. On the other hand, intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not by undirected processes such as natural selection. Considering the above flowchart--which hopefully simplified the picture--which is more reasonable to believe?
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NOT JULIUS
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Message 12 of 23 (484151)
09-26-2008 7:23 PM


Replies to Flow chart on DNA to protein?
Thanks, Kureso and Wounded king. I am waiting for other answers specially from those who believe in ID.
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Message 15 of 23 (484159)
09-26-2008 7:32 PM
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09-26-2008 7:02 PM


Re: flow chart from DNA to Protein to Life
Kuresu,
Please explain to me the following. I'm not familiar with them.I'm just a kid, you know.
a) ToE
b)Dumbski's information theory.
thanks,
DT

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NOT JULIUS
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Message 17 of 23 (484163)
09-26-2008 7:45 PM
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09-26-2008 7:14 PM


Re: flow chart from DNA to Protein to Life
Hi Wounded King,
I'm just a kid doing research. I truly appreciate your input.
wounded king writes:
I'd also contend that the genetic code is not embedded in DNA in any meaningful way.
I got this info from nobelprize.org. It says "DNA carries the genetic info of a cell and consists of a thousands genes". Is this wrong info?Over-simplification?
It is also worth noting that DNA to RNA is not usually consider replication or copying since mRNA is significantly distinct to DNA. Also your note on DNA/RNA is pretty much pure fantasy, or do you have some references to research showing that DNA an be exported and translated to amino acids and that in such cases mRNA can be reverse transcribed and reincorporated into the genome.
That info I got from Nobelprize.org.
wounded king writes:
Given how bad it is your thread might be better to focus more intensively on editing your flow chart instead of all these regurgitated creationist arguments.
Sorry, if the thread is bad. I'm doing research. Could you suggest an improvement on the flow-chart that could be understood by kids like me?

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NOT JULIUS
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Posts: 219
From: Rome
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Message 18 of 23 (484164)
09-26-2008 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by RAZD
09-26-2008 7:30 PM


Re: questions and PRATTs
Razd,
Thanks for your valuable input to my research:
Just a few question, if you won't mind.
razd writes:
We also know that the early earth was bombarded by amino acids that formed in space and were carried to the earth by meteors. We have recovered some of these amino acids from meteors that have landed on earth in recent years.
I've read from another source that yes, they found left handed amino acids even in meteorites. But, one possible explanation is these came from earth during some of its "cataclysmic" events--e.g. violent eruption of earthly volcanos--that sent these stuff to the atmosphere and stuck to these meteorites. Any other plausible explanation re. left handed amino acid?
razd writes:
That may be what you were taught in your school, however it is not either "Darwinian evolution" (pre-genetics) nor is it Biological evolution (post-genetics).
How do I tell my teacher that he is teaching us garbage about evolution?

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