The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread

Who says god needs a space to exist in? I never knew you beleived in such a limited godling Buz.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

The universe includes everything existing. Your message is really senseless and juvenile, Jonsey.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

As opposed to the masterpieces of bullshit you've been spewing throughout this thread?

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

No, that is not what you posted. What you posted is: Nothing about some "record". The second quote is from post # 387 posted at 03:40. The first from post # 390 posted at 05:38, just two hours later and your completely confused about what you had said. Jees, I thought my attention span was limited! What you did post simply states that if the universe is finite in time then god is youthful and temporal. For some reason, you think that this is total nonsense. I merely pointed out that this is as valid an assumption about god as the equally arbitrary life span you seem to prefer to assign to him. BS, you need to pay attention to what you said. Savvy?By the way, how are you coming on those atomic clocks?Edited by AnswersInGenitals, : Because the voices told me to.

AIG I paraphrased what I said and paraphrased accurately.As for the clocks there are some questions as to whether altitude affects them relative to electromagnetism, gravity or something. One clock is at earth surface and the other five or six miles high in the atmosphere. The other question as to whether it is space perse or gravity or forces affecting any variation. I would say it is gravity, energy or some force/forces existing in space that would have properties capable of doing anything to things existing in space.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

A professional physicist is giving you his time and effort to help you understand something, and you simply say he is EVADING your question???Oh, I am so glad this is in free-for-all.Buz, go fuck yourself, you sad retarded old man.

What else would you expect from Buzsaw ?He doesn't understand his own question, nor have any idea of what an answer to it could be. (I know, I asked him to explain and he refused).He loves to claim that his questions have gone unanswered, even to the point of outright lying (Message 228)So of course he's going to look for an excuse to reject any answer he's given. And attacking his opponents is one of his favourite tactics (although, of course he whines about people being "mean" when HE is criticised - no matter how much ghe deserves it).

I have high regard for Son Goku. Unlike some (ahem) he's a gentleman and like you and others he definitely deserves due respect for his knowledge, but that doesn't mean he should get a pass on evading my question as I've shown to be the case, does it, Cavediver?This is a freeforall debate where like you and the others I can pretty much speak my mind with impunity. This is a space sluggout where I've been wanting to fully aire my position, unimpeded on this and have it out on this debatable topic.As I've noted, for me and imo, for all Biblical theists who believe in an eternal supreme supreme creator of the universe there's a lot at stake here, in that if the temporal universe BBT which allegedly orginated the expansion and curvature of space is true, the Bible and eternal Jehovah, the Biblical god is myth.It appears that our good moderators including Admin have allowed for this thread to be extended because of the unique nature of it and interest in it. I appreciate that and imo, others do too who have a lot at stake here relative to the majority position.Finally, Cavediver, imo you need to cool it and perhaps comment on what another gentleman here forthrightly admited, that relative to the properties of space which allow for space and time to be curved by mass energy, we really don't know.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Just because YOU cannot understand his answer, does not mean that he has evaded your question. He has answered it perfectly well. As I answered it perfectly well long long ago. You do not understand the responses. That is fine. I do not expect you to. This is where you should say, I'm sorry, I don't understand. But no, you say that we are evading your question. If you were a student back at Cambridge, I would throw you out the class. If you were a student at my school, I would chuck you in detention for your disrespect. But I'm here, so I merely insult you. Because that is all you deserve. You certainly do not deserve any more of my time. Son Goku and I have devoted vast segments of our lives to this subject. We do not evade, we do not bullshit, we do not make stuff up. We present what we know and we try to get the explanations across. We do not expect arrogant pricks to inform us that we are evading questions!!! You want to be treated like a gentleman??? Then fucking act like one.

Buz isn't acting anything CD. He shows the same behavior as my nearly 89 year old father - some degree of dementia. You can't expect too much.

Perhaps not - I just expect a level of respect and a lack of accusations of dishonesty and evasion. However, it is revealing seeing my own rage in my responses - I have no doubt now where my true devotion lies. Why did I ever leave

But his answer was not that hard for anyone to understand who has been following this discussion. What you are doing here is classic. You are again demeaning the messenger rather than copying and pasting my answer and point by point refuting it.It was clearly an evasion as I have effectively substantiated. That I caught it irritated you to the extent that you blurted out your personal attack on me. Ya, Cavediver, this is a classic example of elitist arrogance in the mainline science community which I've become thick skinned enough to expect over the years, being an advocate of the minority POV in EvC debates.I still have a lot of respect for your knowledge, Cavediver. I listened and watch intensively for over an hour, the link which Onifre urged me to do on some physics 101 basics.As is the case in some of the cultish ideologies, very intelligent and high IQ folks can have their minds programmed into bizarre conclusions. The highly intelligent suicide pact of the Heaven's Gaters at the elitist community of Rancho Santa Fe Ca relative to the passing of Haley's Comet a few decades ago comes to mind. Imo, this is how the secularist science community has instilled the mysteries of QM and GR into the educational establishment so as to promote the BBT and non-ID science view.Onifre's link which I watched last night began with simplistic classic mechanics, all of which was interesting, educational and fundamental to reality. I hope to become more apprised on physics so hopefully I can become more articulate on how the progression of basic realistic fundamentals of physics move into the mystical abstract aspects of QM so as to arrive at the BBT which had no place/area to exit in, no time to exist in, and no outside of to expand into. Logically, it could not have happened and violates all of the laws of thermodynamics observed in the real universe.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Ok, what does it mean then? It is not clearly anything, and you have substantiated nothing. Please, show me your undersatdning of SG's answer and how it is an evasion. Or are you just lying, yet again?Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

Is it not more plausible that I simply misunderstood it or that you misunderstood me? I must say this is a very "rude" claim to make. Okay, the real answer. Although it will not be much use.
The diffeomorphism invariance of spacetime is the property that allows it to curve. This provides a conserved current, the Stress-Energy tensor which matter can then couple to. This allows matter to directly influence the Ricci curvature of spacetime.
If this does not satisfy you then it's the fact that spacetime is pseudo-Riemannian.Or rather the question has a much simpler answer given already. Which is that it can curve because it can curve. There is no need for me to evade. Spacetime's curvature has been measured, that is a simple fact. There is no need to understand curvature in terms of other underlying properties, it is a property itself.Edited by Son Goku, : Addition.

Buzz, perhaps this will help as to why space is able to curve, since you don't seem to understand something very basic.What property of an apple allows it to taste like an apple?In case anyone thinks "what a strange question" Yes, it is, but it's exactly the same the question as "what property of space allows it to curve"Hope this helped clear things up, but I doubt it.

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