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Author Topic:   Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?
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Message 49 of 518 (482757)
09-17-2008 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Jason777
09-17-2008 7:58 PM


Re: Advice for you Jason
The relavence to the actual thread is their are only a couple of thousand years of actual clam growth on the himalayas

And let's ignore the facts about those fossils - that they've been metamorphosed parway to marble by being heated to several hundred degrees while under a few thousands of atmospheres of pressure - miles below the surface. And then exhumed by plate motion and erosion. Erosion of miles of hard rock. All after your Fludde.


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Message 54 of 518 (483502)
09-22-2008 7:45 PM
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09-22-2008 6:50 PM


Re: How long under water is the issue here.
Lord Kelvin first came up with the multi-billion year idea through calculating the cooling of the earth, but his calculations left out a huge factor, water!

Well, no. Kelvin came up with ages from 20 million to 100 million years for the earth - a tenth of a billion at most. And the factor he left out - because it wasn't discovered until he was an old man - was radioactivity and the heat it generates. And all the water on earth isn't enough to change the heat balance much - it makes up perhaps 0.025% of the total mass.

And a year's worth of getting wet won't metamorphose rocks like the ones on Everest. A few million years at several hundrer degrees C with a great deal of pressure is what you're looking for.


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Message 65 of 518 (484603)
09-29-2008 9:37 PM
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Re: How long under water is the issue here.
During the deepest exploration drilling to date, to much of their surprise scientists found water 6 miles deep.

Would that be the Bertha Rogers well drilled in the 70's out near Elk City, Oklahoma? If so, I'm a little puzzled that "scientists" were surprised at finding water there. It was drilled into the Arbuckle, which was known long before then to be an ocean-laid limestone that was later changed to dolomite - by rainwater. The petroleum folks would have been very surprised to not find water there.


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Message 78 of 518 (485114)
10-05-2008 9:10 AM
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10-05-2008 1:23 AM


I'm still waiting for a plausable explanation why there is only a couple thousand years worth of marine growth up there.

There are, as I understand it, a couple of thousand feet of marine fossil remnants on top of Mt Everest. And if we're being very generous, we might get on the order of a foot per century of deposition under favorable conditions.

As the mountain raised slowly out of the water more clams would have grown behind them....

Behind them? Huh? What are you saying here?


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Message 95 of 518 (486079)
10-15-2008 6:23 PM
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10-15-2008 5:53 PM


Re: flood == volcanic destruction? <---Big Time Super-Mega!!!
What I meant was Krakatoa eruption X 1000 X dozens of global localities for a "series" of explosions = mega disaster.

And Noah didn't mind, because he was in a gopherwood box? And why are there no traces of any of these titanic explosions a few thousand years ago?


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Message 136 of 518 (488857)
11-18-2008 5:19 PM
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11-18-2008 4:12 PM


Re: Plate Tectonics - Where's the "V"?
please at least explain what generates the “V” in plate tectonics that is powerful enough to create KE needed to build mountains.

Convection. Heat a pot of menudo from below and it'll stir itself. Heat the Earth's mantle from below and it'll stir itself. And the mantle is what - a thousand times as massive as the layer of detritus up here on top that has the mountains? And remember - that "V" is on the order of a centimeter per month in the fastest plates. But the "m" is in the petagram range.


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Message 165 of 518 (489021)
11-21-2008 10:19 AM
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11-21-2008 12:35 AM


Re: Mt. Everest has 500+ feet of limestone
Bill Birkeland, whose presence I miss around here, did some Mt Everest posts long ago:
www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=86&m=25#25 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=86&m=25#25">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=86&m=25#25

I had it in my mind that he had also posted something about metamorphosed limestone up on Everest, but I can't find it....

Oh, yes, I can!!!
www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=113&m=16#16 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=113&m=16#16">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=113&m=16#16

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Message 399 of 518 (811966)
06-13-2017 8:12 PM


Crabs
Faith, please answer me a question: trilobites and crabs are both shelled sorts of seafood, at least for some consumers. They are similar in size. They seem to be somewhat similar in dietary preferences. But they have NEVER been found fossilized together. Why is that?

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Message 408 of 518 (811981)
06-13-2017 9:11 PM
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06-13-2017 8:55 PM


Re: Crabs
So not only can this sorting mechanism sort crabs from trilobites, but different trilobites from each other. Every time, without fail. Yeah, Faith, I think you need to do a little study, or use a bunch of imagination, on how that can happen. Intelligent Sorting, sure. But what's the most intelligent seawater you have ever seen?

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Message 409 of 518 (811984)
06-13-2017 9:17 PM
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06-13-2017 9:06 PM


Re: Crabs
You live in Nevada, correct? Your landscape is a thick layer of sediments, with maybe a volcanic bit or two. There are a couple of desert shrubs on top. You live there. A few coyotes do too. You are disproving your own claims!

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Message 419 of 518 (812108)
06-14-2017 9:21 PM
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06-13-2017 9:35 PM


Re: Crabs
I don't think that sediment deposition at a millimeter per century ever killed anything. Even a millimeter per year isn't enough to kill West Texas jackrabbits.

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