The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread

I have high regard for Son Goku. Unlike some (ahem) he's a gentleman and like you and others he definitely deserves due respect for his knowledge, but that doesn't mean he should get a pass on evading my question as I've shown to be the case, does it, Cavediver?This is a freeforall debate where like you and the others I can pretty much speak my mind with impunity. This is a space sluggout where I've been wanting to fully aire my position, unimpeded on this and have it out on this debatable topic.As I've noted, for me and imo, for all Biblical theists who believe in an eternal supreme supreme creator of the universe there's a lot at stake here, in that if the temporal universe BBT which allegedly orginated the expansion and curvature of space is true, the Bible and eternal Jehovah, the Biblical god is myth.It appears that our good moderators including Admin have allowed for this thread to be extended because of the unique nature of it and interest in it. I appreciate that and imo, others do too who have a lot at stake here relative to the majority position.Finally, Cavediver, imo you need to cool it and perhaps comment on what another gentleman here forthrightly admited, that relative to the properties of space which allow for space and time to be curved by mass energy, we really don't know.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

But his answer was not that hard for anyone to understand who has been following this discussion. What you are doing here is classic. You are again demeaning the messenger rather than copying and pasting my answer and point by point refuting it.It was clearly an evasion as I have effectively substantiated. That I caught it irritated you to the extent that you blurted out your personal attack on me. Ya, Cavediver, this is a classic example of elitist arrogance in the mainline science community which I've become thick skinned enough to expect over the years, being an advocate of the minority POV in EvC debates.I still have a lot of respect for your knowledge, Cavediver. I listened and watch intensively for over an hour, the link which Onifre urged me to do on some physics 101 basics.As is the case in some of the cultish ideologies, very intelligent and high IQ folks can have their minds programmed into bizarre conclusions. The highly intelligent suicide pact of the Heaven's Gaters at the elitist community of Rancho Santa Fe Ca relative to the passing of Haley's Comet a few decades ago comes to mind. Imo, this is how the secularist science community has instilled the mysteries of QM and GR into the educational establishment so as to promote the BBT and non-ID science view.Onifre's link which I watched last night began with simplistic classic mechanics, all of which was interesting, educational and fundamental to reality. I hope to become more apprised on physics so hopefully I can become more articulate on how the progression of basic realistic fundamentals of physics move into the mystical abstract aspects of QM so as to arrive at the BBT which had no place/area to exit in, no time to exist in, and no outside of to expand into. Logically, it could not have happened and violates all of the laws of thermodynamics observed in the real universe.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. So it appears that what attributes what is observed in the cosmos, relative to curvature, to properties of space is the math of QM and GR which on paper and in the mind attributes the curvature to space and not properties of mass, energy and forces located in space. I have said enough in this thread regarding my objection to this that I see no need to labor further on it.2. "....space curves because it can curve...." I like that. Maybe I'll try it for Jehovah who is the designer because he designs and we observe the intelligent complexity of what he has designed.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

There was something before the BB? Is there a thread on this anyone? I've forgotten whether there is or not. I watched over an hour which included what he called the classic mechanics section.Yes I agree, Modulous. All we can do is repeat ourselves from here. Hopefully we've all learned something from it. If you care to shut it down, it's fine with me. Again, I appreciate that you moderators have allowed an extension in order to hash out some of which we've covered in the last hundred messages.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Is the universe, i.e. everything that exists condidered 13 1/2 - 14 billion years or so old? If so doesn't that mean the BB originated curvature of space, time, any existing god and everything else?Edited by Buzsaw, : change title.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.