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DC85
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Message 2 of 52 (48341)
08-01-2003 3:07 PM


you mean you want to hear from Christens not from creationist. because someone who believed this would also be a creationist. I am not one now But I was. and this is Basically one of the first things that turned me away from Christianity. that fact is what makes this "Holy great book" more substantial the Great Indian and Greek "myths"? if these are myths and false how can you say the Bible is the truth? your Parents and your church told you its true? to me thats NO reason to believe. No it doesn't work the same with science. Because science has facts to back it up the bible doesn't

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DC85
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Message 5 of 52 (48370)
08-02-2003 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by THEONE
08-01-2003 8:53 PM


the Problem I have with religion is that you are Brought up to Belive it and most do without a 2nd thought. to me thats wrong you should test it and explore. as was said why is this the ONLY way to be? why not the Indian Religion? why be Jewish or anything else? what makes you be that? because your Parents told you to? to me that is a VERY stupid reason. I myself was brought Up a catholic(christen). but I always felt I was in a little box. this can't be THE WAY it is and the Only way. I like to now call myself an Agnostic though most People will see my Views as More atheist. the Reason I chose Agnostic is Because I say there might be a God but I highly doubt it. I however will ask you why you Believe there is a God. and will Challenge your reason if it comes up. (note I use caps in the Middle to symbolize voice changes since I can't really speak to you alot of people do this)

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DC85
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Message 7 of 52 (48407)
08-02-2003 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by THEONE
08-02-2003 3:34 AM


quote:
I'll put it this way... The god that you don't believe in, I don't believe in him either
I am pretty sure the Jewish and the christen God are the same. Just Christens added to the religon.........
als sorry about what I said. its just Most people I know that are into religon are Spoon fed it. I still don't understand how you can turn from facts(and Believe all of the Jewish Religon) but thats just me. I would rather go with Facts and have Blank spaces then have something that has 0 facts
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DC85
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Message 17 of 52 (48458)
08-03-2003 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by THEONE
08-03-2003 6:09 AM


alright theone lets make a simple question out of this(as simple as I can make it) why are you Jewish and not Hindu?

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DC85
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Message 25 of 52 (48499)
08-03-2003 8:55 PM
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08-03-2003 5:30 PM


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Simple answer: Hindus believe in multiple Gods. I hold a view of Judaism which says there is only one source for everything in our entire universe.
you don't get it do you? I mean why is being Jewish the right thing for you to be? why are you not christen or any other religion? why are you what you are? why do you believe this? thats what I mean and the meaning of the entire topic. why is this one right when they all have the same support. 0 facts. I mean I can say the Universe was created by a child in another Universe as a science Project and its all in a Pickle jar! this is just as supported as your belief. so why do you believe what you believe? I am not saying you don't have the right to it. I am just asking why?
science is simple we have the facts. sure there are blanks. but we have facts

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DC85
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Message 28 of 52 (48517)
08-04-2003 12:26 AM
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08-04-2003 12:07 AM


why was I ignored? I am the one on topic and you ignored what I asked. is it to hard to answer or something? I would realy like to know please ANswer me

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DC85
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Message 34 of 52 (48622)
08-04-2003 12:56 PM
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08-04-2003 6:30 AM


so why can't I do the right thing if I don't believe in God? its seems to be a Instinct of some kind to know whats fair and whats not. since we Have a sense of conciseness no other Animals have. we also are smart Enough to know that doing certain things can destroy everything. we know without rules set the world would be a Mess. I don't need a GOD to tell me that. all religions are based around Knowing these things. we don't need a Magical power to tell us what to do. we are Smart enough to figure it out. I still say this is not a good reason to be Jewish. lets say for the sake of this topic Creation is real. why are you so sure there is only one god? why are you so sure that there is only one source for everything in the Universe?
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DC85
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Message 36 of 52 (48682)
08-04-2003 8:29 PM
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08-04-2003 5:40 PM


hehe yeah. Jewish was not the first religion. those Morals where set long Before your God was. explain why Native American and other Religions have similar rules..... you can't say they copied or got it from them.(unless you are going to use the Holy book to explain it which has more problems I really don't want to talk about in this topic).
its Hard to survive without these set rules and we KNOW IT! Primitive man could not have become civilized without rules. in order to Live together you can't run around doing what ever you please. its set. it can't be done. you can't very well have a group that depends on one another when you go and kill them all can you? a God DID not need to tell anyone anything! its just common sense that is left over from Primitive civilization. even after that you can't very well progress and get better without other Humans can you? the fact is its all common sense not God. Yes I am aware people do bad things but that just means they don't think or are insane. and if you think about it this way almost all rules can be accounted for this way

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DC85
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Message 40 of 52 (48708)
08-05-2003 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by THEONE
08-04-2003 11:45 PM


Humans lived in groups so they needed to make rules (read fully above) those rules just stuck.
what I am saying is I am sure for example killing is wrong was set with Primitive man in primitive Civilization. (Please read the Above!) God was not needed. In Order for humans to Live together you couldn't kill or steal.(other things chain off from this like stealing anothers mate)
I mean thats all just Common sense if you going to live in a group. Since Humans are able to think and Learn they could figure out if You Kill the Other People in a Group you die(you can't survive)and if You steal from someone in the group the other gets mad and you can't live well in the group(you die). Its as simple as that where exactly does a god come in here?
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DC85
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Message 44 of 52 (48791)
08-05-2003 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by THEONE
08-05-2003 4:56 AM


theone you forgot to reply to my post. I thought we were having a discussion. I need you to explain where exactly a God comes into the Above(my last post)

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DC85
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Message 48 of 52 (48865)
08-06-2003 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by crashfrog
08-05-2003 7:32 PM


quote:
If we're not using all the commandments it's much more likely that we're based on a larger, more universal morality that the author of the Ten Commandments happened to hit on a glimpse of.
as I said its all sense (read my other 2 posts) I mean a god is not needed for that at all. To survive people needed to make rules. and we all know humans are smart enough to do so. theone I really do want to hear your opinon on this

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DC85
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From: Richmond, Virginia USA
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Message 52 of 52 (48927)
08-06-2003 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Admin
08-06-2003 9:50 AM


Re: Topic Drift Alert!
we where talking about why he believes. and he said without a God there can be no morals. so if thats one of the reasons we are disscussing it

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