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bluescat48
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Message 6 of 123 (484950)
10-03-2008 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Syamsu
09-29-2008 12:52 PM


I'm getting a lot of cognitive dissonance from evolutionists when I explain them about creationism. And actually also some creationists don't get it.
The point is that creationism is not science. It is in the same realm as astrology, alchemy & parapsychology, the spiritual realm. Science only can deal in the natural world. How can one analyze creation? Where is the evidence? Whether creation occurred as stated in Genesis can not be answered in science. Whether a supernatural being started the evolutionary process or not can not be analyzed. That is why such processes are beliefs and not theories. Unless a particular idea can be analyzed using real world equipment it cannot be scientific.
Science defined. From amicus curiae 1986, Supreme Court trial of Louisiana creation-science law, section 2:
Science is devoted to formulating and testing naturalistic explanations for natural phenomena. It is a process for systematically collecting and recording data in an effort to infer the principles of nature that best explain the observed phenomena
Thus the spiritual, thus creationism is outside the realm of science.
Edited by bluescat48, : word correction

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 88 of 123 (486032)
10-15-2008 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Syamsu
10-15-2008 6:42 AM


I have evidence from direct experience. The fact that scientists deny freedom is real, produces in me a strange ideology, that anything is better than to have a scientist in, or close to power. To have a complete nutcase in power is better than to have anybody in power that listens to science. On the other side the main ideological force is for a morality of survival.
What freedom does science deny. Do you know what freedom is? You seem to confuse freedom with free will. As for the staement
Here's a local science popularizer speaking Kris Verburgh:
"one doesn't need a god to be good. Our morale is an instinct that occurs with social creatures living in groups, the good is already within us."
That is true. If ones's morality only comes from a god or gods then it is not free either as free will or freedom, but captive. I am moral not because some supernatural entity forbids such behavior under penalty of damnation, but that it is a logical sequence that if I expect that my family, my friends etc. should not be abused then I should not abuse the freedom of others. No god involved. That is freedom.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 94 of 123 (486067)
10-15-2008 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Syamsu
10-15-2008 11:30 AM


You should not abuse my freedom, by misusing science to try to force on me what ought and ought not
You should not abuse my freedom, by misusing religious mythology to try to force on me what ought and ought not.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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