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Huntard

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Message 167 of 176 (486573)
10-22-2008 3:37 PM

Reply to: Message 166 by Tusko
10-22-2008 3:14 PM

Re: Moon Coincidences?

Tusko writes:

The things that are most impressive as far as I'm concerned are a couple of moon-based coincidences - that the moon covers the sun so well during a total solar eclipse, and that 28 days give or take is the moons orbit round the earth and that 28 days is a human menstrual cycle, give or take.

This isn't evidence for an Abramic creator - in fact it isn't evidence for any kind of creator really - but I think its the best evidence there is that there might be a creator rather than just boring blind chance.

I accept that there are a hundred cool coincidences related to just about anything you care to name - but I think there is some special resonance here that links the sun, the moon, human biology - that is pretty impressive.

As an aside, does anyone else know any cool moon-related coincidences that might sit along side these nicely?

Right here we go...:

The moon used to be closer to the earth then it is today, it didn't "fit so well" over the sun then, and in the future it will be too "small" to cover the sun entirely.

The menstrual cycle is also easily explained. In the old days (I'm talking way back here, think 100.000 year and more) When the moon was full, the men would go out hunting, because, well, there's more light and all to see the prey and stuff. Hunts in those days could take a whole week or so. During this time, they could of course not impregnate their females. They could do this when they were there, so, due to natural selection, the beneficial act of going into menstruation during the full moon was selected for and the negative act of going into menstruation when there wasn't a full moon was selected against, and that's how we ended up with it today.

As for cool moon coincidences, I've heard it said there are more murders during a full moon. This is of course also easily explained. Again, during a full moon there is more light, thus it is easier to kill someone.

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Huntard

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Message 174 of 176 (486839)
10-24-2008 9:20 PM

Reply to: Message 168 by Tusko
10-22-2008 3:48 PM

Re: Moon Coincidences?

Tusko writes:

Hey, that's fun. Your first points are both very good

Why, thank you!

however, I don't think either of them necessarily puncture the moon-related fun. The fact that the moon is only the "perfect" distance away from the earth when there is sentient life on board to enjoy it doesn't necessarily mean that it is necessarily dismissable as just blind chance.

The moon will be to far away in the future (looking at the lifespan of this planet, it won't even be too ling into the future) I'm guessing sentient life will still be here then. Does it still fit so perfectly?

Also the evolutionary narrative for menstrual cycles is ultimately just that isn't it, a narrative?

Perhaps, I seem to remember reading about it in a scientific sense thoug. But, since I can't recall for certain, I won't hold you to that. However, you'll have to admit it is a possible explanation.

Thanks for getting back to me with good points - I've been away for ages and its nice to post again.

Glad I could be of service

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Message 175 of 176 (486841)
10-24-2008 9:33 PM

Reply to: Message 169 by wardog25
10-23-2008 9:48 AM

wardog25 writes:

This article seems like a very wordy way of saying that since dating methods basically agree with each other, they must be right.

Well, if independent sources agree wih eachother, it's a strong indication they ARE right. Like for example, f you ask 100 people what colour your eyes are, an 95 of them answer blue, and 2 answer green, and 3 answer brown, what would you conclude your eye colour to be?

Well if I set all the clocks in my house to the wrong time, they might agree, but they are still wrong.

Yes, but if you had no further information, how would you go about testing if they were wrong? You wouldn't, you would assume the clocks are right.

The original question remains. Why do samples that we know the age of give incorrect results when tested?

Because the wrong tests are applied to them. Carbon14 dating is only successfull up until abbout 50.000 years old. Any older, and the dates will be incorrect.

I couldn't care less if that guy can list 500 more dating methods that agree. If you test one method and it gives a wrong answer, all that does is bring every one of those dating methods into question.

So, if 500 people told you you're eyes are blue, and the 501st person told you they were brown, you'd go with the last person you talked to, instead of thinking, well, the chances of the one opinion that is not shared by the rest to be wrong is far greater then those 500 people being wrong?

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