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Author Topic:   What is design? Can we not find evidence of design on earth or in the universe?
Agobot
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Message 174 of 185 (486956)
10-26-2008 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by bluescat48
10-24-2008 5:56 PM


Re: Atheism
Agobot writes:

First RNA --> Single cell organism --> Multicellular organism --> Fish --> Reptile --> Mammal --> Ape --> Hominid --> Homo sapiens --> ...

bluescat48 writes:

I'll give 2 possibilities:

1) Something similar but different enough that it can't mate with Homo sapiens
2) extinction.

I used to be very negative towards your country's policy in Iraq. It once got to the point that it was starting to mess with my ability to communicate with Americans. Then it stroke me... what if all the oil is exhasuted by the year 2025 and we have not come up with an alternative fuel? The world would enter into an energy war over the last remaining drops of oil. I think someone from your country is considering the possibility that at least a portion of the population of the globe might become extinct, if we do not find a new energy source. As prof.Michio Kaku says, the transition from Level 0 civilisation to Level 1 is the most dangerous. If you think it's creepy, it really is. There are so many nuclear weapons nowadays, just Russia has near 7000 nuclear warheads. I am scared, anyone who is not, they just don't realise what is going to happen when the oil wells begin to dry out(and if we have not found a replacement energy source by then). So now i don't blame your country for invading Iraq any more, i think your government is preparing for the worst case scenario. I am just scared by the possibility of a war for the last remaining oil leading to the second possibility that you've listed. It's true that there will always be newly found smaller fields, but the cost for their extraction might sky rocket and again lead to a war. Currently about 90% of all world transport uses oil and some pessimists insist that we stop using oil for transport immediately, so that we can use it for more impending needs like medicines, furniture, communication, etc.

As a leaked suppressed report by the US defense ministry stated, "Once again, warfare would define human life". This i find a much bigger threat than terrorism. And as einstein said:

"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Let's just hope there will be no world war over remaining energy supplies but then what is your country preparing for with the missile shield in Poland and the Czech republic that angered so much Russia?

Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 177 of 185 (486976)
10-26-2008 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by 1.61803
10-26-2008 10:23 AM


Re: Atheism
1.61... writes:

So based on the above definitions and Einsteins statements I would conclude that he was a Athiest and latter in life became more Agnostic. By his own statements and not your opinion that he believed in God.

Where in that statements did einstein say or imply he was an atheist??? That's an outright lie and the product of your imagination.

1.61... writes:

Energy has mass is false. *I already addressed this last post.

HAHA, talk about weightless 1.61803 :)

1.61... writes:

Matter is composed of 100 percent empty space: true or false
The answer to this is false. Matter is composed of fermions

Your ignorance is too great and this forum is not an educational institution... so I'll leave at that, live in your dreams. Bye


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 179 of 185 (487113)
10-27-2008 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Deftil
10-27-2008 5:57 PM


Re: Atheism
Deftil writes:

The god of the gaps isn't much of an argument for a god/creator/designer and as far as I can tell, that's what you're giving us. Because we can't explain everything, that means there is a god. No, logically, it doesn't.

God of the gaps is a very silly notion if you are trying to attribute it to Einstein's beliefs, which happen to be mine as well. Your assertion implies that your knowledge of the universe, life and reality is more than 50% of all there is to know. Sorry to burst your bubble, but what you call science is still in diapers. You don't know even 1% of there is to know, to claim god of the gaps. Your knowledge and the knowledge of ANY scientist in the world is just a dot in the ocean of there is that we'll one day find out. If you want a reverse analogy, you can say that your No-God scenario is based on on the few dots of knowledge you've uncovered in a vast lake of knowledge that you are yet to uncover. And it's ridiculous if you're trying to base your no god beliefs on science, as if it was stating there is no god.

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 180 of 185 (487119)
10-27-2008 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Deftil
10-27-2008 5:57 PM


Re: Atheism
Deftil writes:

If I wanted to act like you, I would simply say something like "that's ironic and if you don't know why, I don't have the time to teach you" but in an attempt to foster productive discussion I will actually tell you. It's because Einstein didn't even accept all the conclusions of the modern physics of his time.

And do you know what these conclusions implied? I bet you don't. You have absolutely no idea of the implications of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle even by today's interpretations. This is just another one of your assertions that science of today has found the answers.


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Agobot
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Message 182 of 185 (487125)
10-27-2008 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Deftil
10-27-2008 6:50 PM


Re: Atheism
Agobot writes:

You have absolutely no idea of the implications of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle even by today's interpretations.

Deftil writes:

I don't? Really? How do you know that?

Because you assert i was using god of the gaps(when i was not!) which would translate that the following scientists were also talking about god of the gaps(mind you that their god most often than not has nothing to do with holy books):

http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/physicists-believe-in-god-or-at-least-a-creator-or-designer-a-collection-of-quotes/

This is just a small list of scientists/Noble Prize winners' musings on existence, nature, reality and god. Are you sure they are talking about god of the gaps? Where is the evidence that it is so?

Do you think people should take you seriously for implying that our current level of science leaves just gaps in our knowledge?

Don't blame me for quoting top physicists who assert that an architect of the universe is necessary. What's the point of looking for atheist scientists quotes, when all your life, everywhere you've looked, you've been given the same lie - "Science says there is no God". How does science prove there is no God? By reaching zero and infinity and claiming "there is no reason", when the meachnics of the universe is comprehensible to the human mind. Why do 99.999999999999% of all questions have answers but a few don't? To make place for atheism?

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 184 of 185 (487132)
10-27-2008 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Admin
10-27-2008 7:53 PM


Re: Atheism
Admin writes:

Hi Agobot,
Please stop posting to this thread. Thanks.

Yes, a good reminder for me to stop posting altogether to this pathetic randomness and coincidence promoting forum. Let Scripture vs Evolution be at the core of the debate again, sorry for shifting the topic in the "wrong" direction. Darwin vs the Church, what a wonderful debate topic!


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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