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Author Topic:   Can science refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt?
bluescat48
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Message 148 of 310 (486244)
10-17-2008 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by onifre
10-17-2008 1:03 PM


Re: Science and Atheism
I believe the people who organized these religions were not stupid or believers themselves. They knew all to well what a society that lacked fear would be like...uncontrolable. They understood quite well the human psyche and knew that if people thought that they would be punished for eternity, then they would follow the rules, even when no one was watching. To steal a line from Dawkins, 'It's the big survalence camera in the sky'. The method works. It works so well that even scientist like yourself, who understand nature, still fear the reprocussions of simply stating your opinion because you've been programmed to fear the 'watchdog in the sky'.
Very interesting observation. I totally agree.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 237 of 310 (487134)
10-27-2008 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Bailey
10-27-2008 3:14 PM


faith based theories
That is an oxymoron. If it is a theory it cannot be faith based. A theory is a tested hypothesis that shows nothing that would reject the hypothesis. If something is accepted by faith it is not tested and cannot be falsified which all theories can if better evidence is found,
ie: oxidation-reduction overturned phlogiston.

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bluescat48
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Message 239 of 310 (487144)
10-28-2008 1:12 AM
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10-27-2008 11:39 PM


Here a faith based theory is simply a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural by its very nature of not yet being concluded.
and that is a hypothesis.
Agreed, as I have already stated this numerous times. If it is not falsifiable, logically, it cannot be wholly refuted.
The assertion that a faith based method is false only because it has not been proven true fits squarely within the argumentum ad ignorantiam.
Yes, which is why this topic is rather an exellent example of argumentum ad ignoratiam.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 242 of 310 (487205)
10-28-2008 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Bailey
10-28-2008 9:54 AM


I stated Yes, which is why this topic is rather an exellent example of argumentum ad ignoratiam.
you stated
I thank you for conceding to this end.
In conclusion, science cannot refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt. As faith is the evidence for things unseen, all science need do in order to refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt is disprove faith and testably demonstrate that faith invariably leads to incorrect conclusions. We all know that this cannot be done.
Any assertion that a faith based method is false only because it has not been proven true fits squarely within the argumentum ad ignorantiam. And so, faith based assertions remain as hypothesis' that - without conclusion and henceforth, any testability - cannot be wholly refuted beyond all reason or logic.
I concede nothing, I realized this when I first saw the topic.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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