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onifre
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Message 46 of 47 (485571)
10-09-2008 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by WaveDancer
10-09-2008 3:47 AM


WD writes:
Hmmmmm it seems like everybody here except me is happy with the way of our current world.
Who said that? At least have not said that.
You all also seem to think that if there is a god he should not do anything to interveane in this world even if he has the power too.
Freedom comes with a price...you have to be responsible for your own actions, and not hope that there is someone who'll rescue you every time. If God continuosly saves us then we will never be free, independant thinkers, and will just be dependant our entire existance.
However, if we are free, and we are responsible for our actions, and the human race sees the dawn of a 1000 years from now, then we as a species would deserve it.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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WaveDancer
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From: NSW Australia
Joined: 09-14-2008


Message 47 of 47 (487340)
10-30-2008 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by onifre
10-09-2008 4:34 PM


Hey Onifre sorry I have not replied sooner but I have been moving house.
Freedom comes with a price...you have to be responsible for your own actions, and not hope that there is someone who'll rescue you every time. If God continuosly saves us then we will never be free, independant thinkers, and will just be dependant our entire existance.
Are we paying to much of a price for freedom? All these people who pray to a so called god seem to want intervention. I am sure if you or someone you loved dearly was being held up to the flames you would be hoping for god to step in and help if he exists.
If you had a choice would you prefer this world with its "freedom" or a world where we give up our freedom for security and eternial bliss where freedom of choice does not exists in a macro sense? I know I would rather live with security and bliss and give up this so callled "freedom".
No matter how great your life is it would ALWAYS be better if it was planned and mapped out in a way in which it would be planned to occur in a certain way. Sure maybe littile micro things maybe up for the "freedom of choice" but tghe macro would be all laid out with no chance of ever being changed.
Sure we would give up our free choice but who cares when you get bliss instead!
Who said that? At least have not said that.
You cant have it both ways onifre. Either you would create a universe like ours or you would not. From what I can gather from your posts you prefer this world to a world I would compare to heaven or at least heaven in a human sense.

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