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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Hi dokukaeru, thanks for joining in with this.
cavediver writes: Just to add some colour to this: I should just point out that when I said I was adding 'colour', I meant in the colloquial sense - i.e. I was adding pictures to highlight the information I was presenting in my text. I did not alter the images in any way other than to present zooms of the areas of interest. Earlier, AoK accused me of lightening the images, which I certainly did not do. But I can now see from where his confusion may have arisen. Edited by cavediver, : A rather important 'not' was missing!
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AlphaOmegakid Member (Idle past 2876 days) Posts: 564 From: The city of God Joined: |
Anyone with even a little knowledge of this science can see this. Well that elliminates you from this discussion.
I think it has been said but needs repeating. You are outside of the margin of error with that ring by at least .001 mm which just so happens to be the width from polonium-210 to radon-222. Then show this empirically. Otherwise your argument is lame as always.
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dokukaeru Member (Idle past 4615 days) Posts: 129 From: ohio Joined: |
AO r.u. Kidding? writes: Anyone with even a little knowledge of this science can see this.
Well that elliminates you from this discussion. Your right, i didn't learn the decay chain of Uranium-238, it was Uranium-239...the fissile material used aboard fast-attack nuclear submarines. The penetrating distances i learned were into the substates of H2O, lead and plastics not granite. This was all along time ago when I was a wee-in. Some of it was refreshed a bit when i got my b.s. in integrated science education, but of course not all of it.What is it you said you do again?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hello AlphaOmegaKid.
I hope you slipped up with the U235 bit. I assume you mean U238/234. Yep, 238U, what happens when I post late. Thanks, I've corrected it.
Again, I have already asked for this evidence and you haven't presented any. Staining along a fissure or crack may be a result of alpha decay, but you cannot determine what isotope created the decay stain. Please show this evidence. It would not all be 222Rn, of course, but there is no way you can logically claim that 222Rn would not be present: the rocks are infected with 238U and one of the decay products, 222Rn is an inert gas that is well-known for pervading rocks through virtually invisible fissures and fracture planes. The decay along the cracks and fissures is obviously the result of SOME radioactive elements in the fluids and gases permeating these cracks and fissures. Thus you have means, method and opportunity. There would also be decay from the daughter isotopes of 222Rn, whether the atoms involved bonded to the sides, but continue to flow along the cracks and fissures. You could also have radioactive decay from any other radioactive isotope carried by the fluids and gases in these cracks and fissures.
The anecdotal evidence from the cracks, fissure, and conduits says there is a secondary formation. Are you claiming that these cracks, fissures and conduits do not exist? Curiously you have cited evidence of their existence. Again, the evidence also comes from people that are better geologists than Gentry. For instance there is a paper published in the peer reviewed geology journal Lythos. From Dr. Collins (email):
quote: Bold-italic for emphasis. The Lithos paper in question is "Hematite in porous red-clouded feldspars: Evidence of large-scale crustal fluid-rock interaction"Lithos, Volume 95, Issues 1-2, April 2007, Pages 10-18 Andrew Putnis, Ruth Hinrichs, Christine V. Putnis, Ute Golla-Schindler and Lorence G. Collins doi:10.1016/j.lithos.2006.07.004 Received 31 October 2005; accepted 7 July 2006 Available online 22 August 2006 at www.sciencedirect.com quote: Demonstrating that the type of rock where these halos are found are formed by secondary processes. Processes that do not occur at high temperatures and where chemical bonds are involved, the same kinds of chemical bonds that can cause decay isotope atoms to bond to the crystal lattice.
Your comments here are anecdotal. Of course they are anecdotal, as are ALL comments posted on an internet debate forum. That is what debate is. The question, though, is not whether they are anecdotal, but whether they are logically consistent with the evidence and the known facts, including the behavior of all the isotopes along the decay chains, the known differences in types of rocks and their permeability to flows at different times of formation, that rocks are not just formed once, but often go through many transformations. You have to consider all the evidence with open-minded skepticism if you want to pursue the truth. Being adamant about one position does not do that. Claiming that what is published in peer-reviewed articles is more valid than other information published by scientists doesn't do that. Gentry has made documented mistakes on the geology, mistakes that seriously affect his (not peer reviewed) conclusions regarding the age of the rocks and thereby the halos, mistakes which he fails to acknowledge or correct. Wakefield's geology is better than Gentry's, and it is backed up by others. Failing to acknowledge these demonstrated and known errors is not considering all the evidence. You keep trying to find reasons to dismiss arguments rather than answer them, and that is not open-minded skepticism.
You've got to be joking, Right? You have been arguing for many pages now that these aren't Po218 halos but are Rn222 halos. Do I need to go back and quote you???? What I have said is that where you have wider bands for the third band in from the outside, that you likely have 222Rn overlapping 210Po. In the one halo discussed above we (some of us anyway) can see four bands, 214Po on the outside, 218Po next, then 222Rn and 210Po. 214Po halos (without 218Po bands) and 210Po halos (without 214Po or 218Po bands) would not logically have 222Rn bands and missing 218Po (or 214Po) bands. There are also some 218Po halos (as noted above, and posted with the same circles that show there are differences between 218Po and 222Rn halos). The 3-band halos with wide inner bands are logically 222Rn halos, because none of the other bands are that wide and band width does not change with alpha energy. The evidence of one halo with the wider band and one without proves\validates\demonstrates the 222Rn in the former one. Or do you have some mechanism that can make the last ring formed wider than the previous rings? Logically it is a simple process: the decay chain goes from 226Ra to 222Rn, which is free to leave the original source inclusion. This creates a supply of atoms within the fluids and other gases penetrating the fissures and fracture planes of crystal rocks. The decay progresses from 222Rn through 206Pb is just a continuation of the 238U decay chain:
Once you break the physical location link of the radioactive isotope and the original inclusion, you then have a free-floating atom looking for a home. Any one of these atoms at any time in its progression from 222Rn to 206Pb can lodge within the crystal at any point, or they can wash out of the rock altogether. The longer half-life of 210Pb compared to all the isotopes from 222Rn down to 206Pb provides more opportunity for the atom to set up house-keeping in congenial locations than the rest, thus amply explaining the high incidence of 210Po halos, as the very short half life (46.7 min total) from 218Po to 214Po explains the rarity of the 214Po halos. Once an atom has taken up residence, whether within the crystal lattice or in a small pocket, it will proceed to decay through the remaining stages. 222Rn is an inert gas and will not bond chemically to anything, however all the subsequent daughter isotopes (including the β- decay ones) can bond chemically, and thus can be adsorbed into the crystal lattice. The evidence that this occurs is the presence of abnormally high amounts of 206Pb in the centers of the halos, demonstrating that a purification "distillation" type process is involved, rather than an original inclusion (as is typical for 238U and 232Th halos).
That's a new one. Did you try to slip that one in? Please present this evidence. You haven't been paying attention then. The evidence is the abnormally high 206Pb levels in the halo centers, demonstrating that the radioactive isotopes have accumulated by a deposition process at this location, instead of being from an original inclusion that would contain more impurities, among them more 207Pb.
Again, you don't have any empirical evidence here. All the emperical evidence says that these are Po218 halos by the directly measured ring diameters which have been repeated and agreed by mutiple scientists. Again you are mixing terminology and making mistatements in an attempt to dismiss the argument rather than deal with the reality of it. I seriously doubt that "multiple scientist" have measured this particular halo, which is from his book collection and not any of the peer reviewed articles as far as I can determine. And this measurement of the diameters of the photo by this process is indeed empirical: Your first picture, using the published values for 210Po, 214Po and 218Po are empirical evidence of your failure to confront the evidence, as the outer circles are completely outside the discoloration bands. This is empirical evidence that this is not a good fit from this data to the picture.
Your second picture, using the published values for 210Po, 214Po, 218Po and 222Rn are empirical evidence of your failure to confront the evidence, as the outer circles are a good match to the discoloration bands. In addition you can see a good match for the 210Po circle to the inner band of discoloration inside the 222Rn circle. This is empirical evidence that this is a good fit from this data to the picture.
That there is a 222Rn band in this picture is empirically confirmed by the experimental process of superimposing the 238U circles over this picture and observing how the 222Rn and 210Po circles match the discoloration bands.
This is empirical (experiment + observation) evidence that 222Rn is in this halo.
Now Gentry knew that people like you would continue to present such anecdotal evidence of secondary formation. And he found an excellent case with coalified wood. This will be the topic of my next post. This talk of 238U halos is getting off topic for Polonium halos, and we don't want to overrun the number of posts that are allowed. I suggest a new thread for coalified wood halos, and using the Are Uranium Halos the best evidence of (a) an old earth AND (b) constant physics? to discuss 238U halos (following peaceharris's lead). Then we can bring applicable results back here to continue their relationship with polonium halos and the relative abundance and contribution of 222Rn to the whole process. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : colors Edited by RAZD, : subtitle Edited by RAZD, : added end 2P Edited by RAZD, : moved photo by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
hey peaceharris,
I want to expand on my earlier answer to see it I have this right.
4. Re: Not about Polonium, Not about a Young Earth. (Message 34 of Thread Are Uranium Halos the best evidence of (a) and old earth AND (b) constant physics? in Forum Dates and Dating) Where I think you actually mean your message Message 37:
quote: Isn't the equilibrium level determined from the ration of half-lives to the total of all half-lives? If this is the amount that should remain in the sample when equilibrium is reached then 1-equilibrium should be the amount that decays? Thus for every atom of 238U that decays, (1-HF234Th/HFsum) atoms of the 234Th should also have decayed (leaving the equilibrium amount undecayed). Using this process I calculate that if we have 1 billion (10^9) 238U atoms decay (enough to form an innermost ring) decayed that the following numbers of the isotopes should also have decayed:
Can you tell me what I have wrong here? Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : yrs Edited by RAZD, : corumn Edited by RAZD, : undecayed? Edited by RAZD, : clarity, i hope by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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peaceharris Member (Idle past 5596 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
RAZD writes: Thus for every atom of 238U that decays, (1-HF234Th/HFsum) atoms of the 234Th should also have decayed The definition of equilibrium is for every atom of 238U that decays, there is 1 atom of 234Th that decays. In the case of 238U, your formula is quite correct since HF_sum is much greater than HF_234Th. I have replied in more detail in Message 46
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AlphaOmegakid Member (Idle past 2876 days) Posts: 564 From: The city of God Joined: |
It would not all be 222Rn, of course, but there is no way you can logically claim that 222Rn would not be present: Oh yes there is! In fact, you can empirically test for this. That's what Gentry did. He tested by measuring the alpha recoil pit density around surrounding areas of Po halos. There was no evidence of Rn222 or any other type of U238 istope decay. It was dramatically absent from the rocks. This fossil evidence does in fact claim that Rn222 was not present.
the rocks are infected with 238U and one of the decay products, 222Rn is an inert gas that is well-known for pervading rocks through virtually invisible fissures and fracture planes. "Infected with U238"???? Then why no evidence of fission tracks? Gentry tested for this. Meiers did also. No evidence of fission tracks or alpha recoil pits near or around Po halos. "Rn222 is an inert gas well-known for pervading rocks"??? Actually it is the opposite. U238 in the rocks decays. Those areas in the rocks that are open to cracks and fissures allow Radon gas to escape the rocks. All gases flow from the direction of high resistance (small cracks) towards low resistance (larger cracks). Radon gas eventually ends up in the soil and ground water and then works its way to the atmosphere. Radon gas is not well known for "pervading" from soils and ground waters into solid rock except at very large fissures and cracks in the outer layers of rocks.
The decay along the cracks and fissures is obviously the result of SOME radioactive elements in the fluids and gases permeating these cracks and fissures. Yes and that staining is obvious and the cracks and fissures are obvious. With all of Gentry's photos the largest crack or conduit is no larger than .002mm. And there is no visible staining along these conduits nor are there any fission tracks, nor are there any alpha recoil pits. In fact they are dramatically absent. This is strong evidence that no secondary flow process was taking place.
Thus you have means, method and opportunity. There would also be decay from the daughter isotopes of 222Rn, whether the atoms involved bonded to the sides, but continue to flow along the cracks and fissures. You could also have radioactive decay from any other radioactive isotope carried by the fluids and gases in these cracks and fissures. Thus the empitical evidence in regards to secondary flow show that there was no means, method, or opportunity. If there was, then there would be "obvious" evidence in the fossil record of fission tracks and alpha recoil pits. But they are dramatically absent in the vicinity of the Po halos. This is strong evidence of pimordial origin rather than secondary origin.
Demonstrating that the type of rock where these halos are found are formed by secondary processes. Processes that do not occur at high temperatures and where chemical bonds are involved, the same kinds of chemical bonds that can cause decay isotope atoms to bond to the crystal lattice. Wow! That's interecting. This article is about red-clouded alkalai feldspars from granitic rocks and hematite. It's not about biotite, fluorite and chordite. That's where Po halos are found. I don't know of any found in hematite. Do You? This is a red clouded herring.
Of course they are anecdotal, as are ALL comments posted on an internet debate forum. That is what debate is. No. One must provide evidence to back up their claims in these science forums if I understand correctly. Normally I would assume that this would mean scientific evidence. However since an evo is presenting, my assumption is wrong, and anecdotal evidence is allowed to be given equal weight with empirical evidence. But in real science that wouldn't be allowed. That's why none of your arguments of Rn222 halos is peer reviewed, because it would be rejected if there wasn't empirical evidence.
You have to consider all the evidence with open-minded skepticism if you want to pursue the truth. You clearly haven't. You have ignored the empirical evidence that shows no secondary flow was taking place.
Being adamant about one position does not do that. That's what you are doing. Gentry however, did just the opposite. He tested for evidence of secondary flow knowing full well that if he found any, it would destroy his hypothesis. This is what good scientists do.
Gentry has made documented mistakes on the geology You can't cite one.
Wakefield's geology is better than Gentry's, and it is backed up by others. You mean Wakefield's amateur geology. His amateur geology that leads him to make this emphatic statement....
quote: Well the AlphaOmekid put on his amateur geology hat and immediately found that there is granite pegmatites at the Silver Crater mine in Ontario Canada. In fact, from the Geological Survey of Canada Miscellaneous Report 39.....
quote: Now Wakefield claims metamorphic creation of the rocks, but he presents not one picture of such rocks. Yet Gentry does and you can see some of the granites here.... Creation's Tiny Mystery: Radiohalo Catalogue, Plate 11 Yet Wakefield wants us to belive that Gentrys rocks were these...
Now for you to believe Wakefield, you are going to have to ingnore the evidence that there is granite pegmatites from the Silver Crater mine and you are going to have to believe that Gentry's pictured rocks are not granite pegmatites but are calcite vein dike rocks. Wakefield has no credibility in any of his work. His anecdotal evidence is meaningless in comparrison to Gentry's empirical evidence. By the way, I guess Meiers (a degreed and published geologist was also confused about these rocks being granites.?!?!?!?!? He also used Biotie samples from the Faraday Province in Ontario Canada.
You keep trying to find reasons to dismiss arguments rather than answer them, and that is not open-minded skepticism. I opened my mind. I did five minutes of research on the Silver Crater mine, and I found Wakefield to be ignorant of the facts. Yet Meiers a real geologist does not once question Gentry's geology nor his discovery of Po halos. That's why all your "evidence" is nothing more than evo babbling. None of it is credible.
What I have said is that where you have wider bands for the third band in from the outside, that you likely have 222Rn overlapping 210Po. Then this would be defined as a Rn222 halo, and it's measured diameter would be .0205. But there is no empirical evidence of these measurements. In fact Meiers tests Gentry's measurements and finds them correct. He measured the Po210 diameters at .0195 mm which is in agreement to Gentry's. All the fuzziness or so called wide bands in this inner ring would have measured at less that .0195mm. This elliminates the possibility of Rn222 in any way shape or form being a part of the halo. So here we have two scientists agreeing on biotite samples from the same area, but only an evo amateur scientist says they aren't granites at all. tch tch. eh?
214Po halos (without 218Po bands) and 210Po halos (without 214Po or 218Po bands) would not logically have 222Rn bands and missing 218Po (or 214Po) bands. Then how did the Po214 halos form?
The 3-band halos with wide inner bands are logically 222Rn halos There you go again with that fallacy. The only way possible that they could be Rn222 halos is if they measured .0205mm. No one has ever empirically claimed that. In fact just the opposite. Scientists have claimed just the opposite. They have claimed that the evidence is irrefutable by size measurements that these halos are anything other than Po218 halos. The logic you are using is "fuzzy" logic. Which ignores the true evidence.
Once you break the physical location link of the radioactive isotope and the original inclusion, you then have a free-floating atom looking for a home. Any one of these atoms at any time in its progression from 222Rn to 206Pb can lodge within the crystal at any point And they wander out of the rocks and not into the rocks. The wander towards the path of least resistance. If they lodge, then they decay there. If Rn222 lodged anywhere it would create Rn222 halo which would have an inner ring diameter of .0205. But there is no evidence of this. If they decayed into Po218 and the Po218 lodged, then there would be evidence of alpha decay. And there is none.
Again you are mixing terminology and making mistatements in an attempt to dismiss the argument rather than deal with the reality of it. No, I dismissing your arguments with empirical data. Direct microscopic measurement data from multiple sources. Direct empirical evidence showing a lack of fission tracks which would be prevalent in any kind of flow situation. Empirical evidence showing a lack of alpha recoil pits in the area of Po halos. All of this is evidence against any kind of isotope flow. There is no reality of Rn222 halos. Only wishful thinking. And there the evidence is against any kind of flow related theory.
I seriously doubt that "multiple scientist" have measured this particular halo, which is from his book collection and not any of the peer reviewed articles as far as I can determine. This is a red herring. Multiple scientists have taken direct measurements of thousands of Po halos. And they agree that by those measurements, they exist.
And this measurement of the diameters of the photo by this process is indeed empirical: NOT!
This is empirical (experiment + observation) evidence that 222Rn is in this halo. NOT! And this is empirical evidence that Jesus is alive and has risen from the dead.....
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dokukaeru Member (Idle past 4615 days) Posts: 129 From: ohio Joined: |
You really should address Message 157...or how about Ned's Message 177
Are your mismatched circles a result of you purposefully trying to hide the radon-222 ring or incompetence/ignorance? I believe it is a bit of both, but I would rather you answer. NosyNed writes: AoK, we can all look at the pictures supplied. We can SEE that your circles don't match the halos. Perhaps instead of just ranting you might explain why they don't. Cavediver writes:
and
These indisputably show your autocad circles as very wide of their intended mark, *even if* supposedly being marked to the outer edge of the observed halo. Why is this? This is in contrast to RAZD's images:
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Joe T Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 41 From: Virginia Joined: |
quote: Just to be clear, Dr Meier (not Meiers) who you cited earlier is a chemist and is not a geologist (Meier, H. and W. Hecker. 1976. Radioactive halos as possible indicators for geochemical processes in magmatites. Geochemical Journal 10:185-195.)
quote: Again, Dr. Meier is not a geologist, but a well respected chemist. I am neither a geologist or chemist, so maybe you can tell me something from the paper you cite that supports Gentry’s geology or his interpretation of the Po Halos.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
hey dokukaeru,
Just to be clear:
This is in contrast to and
These are from a second picture done by AlphaOmegaKid, not me. Also note on this picture that you can see a second "wave" of discoloration at the innermost line, similar to where these overlap on the 238U halo below. My version was done differently: instead of making the circles to match the published data, I matched circles to the images and then found the best match for the two outside rings compared to the published data. You can tell them apart by solid lines on his and dashed lines on mine. This is my image:
Message 158 Here is where I have also superimposed the circles found to match the 238U halo:
This is the 238U halo in question:
I've also redone the image to move the 23.5 circle to the outer limits of the discoloration there in order to make the inner circles smaller:
And I still get 20.24 for the 222Rn band, within the margin of error for 222Rn and still too big for 210Po; and I still get 19.07 for the 210Po band, within the margin of error for 210Po; but the outer ring is 34.08 -- small for this band, when the first version above is a better fit to the published data. Thus the first picture is a better overall fit to the outer rings. This is also further out than was done on the 238U picture where all the data matched the published numbers. This tells me that there is discoloration outside the limits for 210Po, and the best explanation for that is 222Rn decay. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : clarity Edited by RAZD, : correction Edited by RAZD, : changed photo links by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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dokukaeru Member (Idle past 4615 days) Posts: 129 From: ohio Joined: |
Thank you RAZD for the correction. Although I was only copying this portion from Cavediver, I should have been more careful and looked further into the thread to be sure. I stand corrected on that portion.
I think AOKids ring corrections are still just as bad as I first stated and still deserve a truthful explanation. I'm also still waiting for him to explain his lack of understanding on the basic formation of granites brought up in Message 123 and Message 125 RAZD, I thought the drawings you made in Message 89 were some of the best presented in this thread thus far.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 989 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
I agree. AO's smugness is unwarranted considering his casual dismissal of the Putnis et al. paper. This is a clear indication that OA is incapable of recognizing potentially-significant lines of evidence -- probably because they do not support his position.
In addition, not even the very best geologist in the world can confirm that the image AO linked to is granite. In fact, it looks more like the medium- to coarse-grained, clinopyroxene- and biotite-bearing syenite I have sitting on my desk. However, with a good petrographic description, most geologists CAN determine the presence and/or degree of metamorphism. And aren't those 'granites' from New Hampshire? I'm confused. Perhaps AO is referring to other photos... I'm not even sure what AO is attempting to convey with the picture of the apatite/fluorapatite(?). Is that from Silver Crater?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well, peaceharris,
Now that we have investigated the decay of 238U inclusions with and without equilibrium levels, and we find that the decay for some "embryonic" halos cannot be adequately explained by normal decay without 222Rn leaving the 238U inclusion site,
And we have evidence of 222Rn in at least one "polonium" halo,
In summary we have:
As I have said before, means, motive and opportunity - these halos are explained by normal physics, involving decay of 238U and the gas isotope 222Rn providing the link between 238U inclusions and "polonium" halos. No need to invoke special physics, or any reason to consider a young age for these rocks. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : completed by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
note - I moved the pictures from where they were hosted before, so they show as blanks in your quotes. They are now at:
1st was http://razd.evcforum.net/Pictures/CvE/235U-halo.jpgnow http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6700/238uhaloia3.jpg 2nd was http://razd.evcforum.net/Pictures/CvE/222Rn-halo1.jpgnow http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/152/222rnhalo1pc5.jpg 3rd was http://razd.evcforum.net/Pictures/CvE/222Rn-halo2.jpgnow http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9701/222rnhalo2dh4.jpg The pictures have not been changed, just the location. Both halos show decay damage at the 222Rn radius, the 238U halo (the first picture), and the 222Rn halo (the second picture) and the third picture shows the radii from the first picture overlaid on the second, showing that these are 222Rn rings in both pictures. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : fixed thumbnail links by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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jgbrawley Junior Member (Idle past 5596 days) Posts: 3 From: Missouri, USA Joined: |
I was poking around on the web after some years, and ran across this message, in which I find myself accused (by implication?, or baldfacedly?) of lying.
I most certainly *did* "talk my way inside" at Oak Ridge. I was unannounced and unexpected, just showed up one day and described what I was on about. Mr. Dickens was called by the receptionist, and he came out and took me into his office, where we had lunch. It's difficult enough to do a useful piece of scientific field and microscope work, and to put all that up on a website for the perusal of anyone interested, without having to correct a mind apparently *so* closed that it (he? she?) refuses to believe plain English writing. I'm rather taken aback by this. As to the fuzziness of the Po-210/Rn-222 ring, remember that the Radon atom contributing to the ring would be *in motion* when it decayed, but the subsequent daughters --218Po, 214Po, and 210Po, would not be, the Po having become electronegative once it was no longer Radon. 'Nuff said; I just wanted to respond to someone accusing me of lying in my paper on the Po halo issue. jgbrawley@charter.net
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