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Author Topic:   The phrase "Evolution is a fact"
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Message 10 of 217 (487596)
11-02-2008 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by aftab
11-02-2008 8:49 AM


Well even when we talk about the theory of evolution (as in the whole natural selection bit) well we can be certain its true but why should that be a source of criticism?
It isn't except to the Religious Fundimentalists, who for some unknown reason, think that it is detrimental to their religious beliefs. It doesn't seem to bother the mainstream religious.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 20 of 217 (489316)
11-26-2008 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Beretta
11-26-2008 5:48 AM


Re: Salamanders
How do we know that, given enough time, they will be anything other than types of salamanders?
To put it bluntly, salamander is not a scientific term. Are all butterflies the same? How about lobsters or mice or starfish or kelp?
Common names lead to more disknowledge. What is a dog? Cat? Rat? Fly?

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Message 27 of 217 (489522)
11-27-2008 11:31 PM
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11-27-2008 10:47 PM


Re: Salamanders
has the bacteria began to form into life other then bacteria? Or is still a bacteria?
You are missing the point. Changes from one species to another over time by natural selection or punctuated equilibrium may create a new species within a particular genus or create a new genus much of which is in relation to a number of factors. for example in the class insecta there are so many different species that almost any new species would result in a new genus, while a new species of tardigrate might only result in a new species within the genus. Saying that a particular new species is still whatever means nothing. A lion and a tiger are both cats but different species. a butterfly & a dragonfly are both insects but from different orders. A frog & a turtle are both tetrapods but in different classes. Common names mean little in reference to classification. Also note bacteria is plural, bacterium is the singular.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 34 of 217 (489557)
11-28-2008 7:57 AM
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11-28-2008 6:31 AM


Re: Bacterial generations
Of course this creation story of modern atheism is all pervasive in the system so I'm not surprised that you believe it -unfortunately I am somewhat harder to convince.
What does atheism Have to do with evolution? Atheism is a belief that no deity exists. Evolution is a scientific study on changes and modifications of living things over time. Where is the connection?

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Message 38 of 217 (489595)
11-28-2008 12:32 PM
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11-28-2008 10:16 AM


Re: Geneological lineups vs Reality
OFF TOPIC MATERIAL HIDDEN.
Edited by AdminNosy, : topic

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 182 of 217 (524298)
09-15-2009 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by cavediver
09-15-2009 3:55 PM


Re: Allelegorical License
I do not know one fellow scientist who would for one second think you meant anything other than the Theory of Evolution (as in biological evolution on planet Earth) if you were to use the term evolution without any other qualifier.
One does not even need to be a scientist to, when hearing the word evolution without a qualifier, understand it as "Biological evolution."
I have no science degree, I'm what one might call a "shade tree scientist."

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 199 of 217 (524532)
09-17-2009 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Archangel
09-17-2009 8:36 AM


Re: A second explanation
Sadly though, since the foundational premise of everything they believe is false, we have more than a century worth of bad/fraudulent science which has become institutionalized as valid and real, leading to the corruption of complete generations since Darwin first promoted his secular philosophy for how man came to be apart from the creation account.
Concrete evidence please.
This is also true to a point. Tens of thousands of people have been raised to believe that a false pseudo science is valid. So they have invested their lifetimes attempting to prove it. And since they believe that the premise of this fraudulent science is valid, they promote every aspect of their study as true and interpret every observation as further evidence that they are witnessing evidence of evolution.
Just change the words pseudo science & evolution to creationism & creationist an d the sentence would be correct.
Show me any evidence that the earth is not ~4.5 billion years old.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 204 of 217 (524598)
09-17-2009 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Archangel
09-17-2009 1:47 PM


Re: A second explanation
Can you reproduce the claimed process of abiogenesis which allegedly occurred at that time?
What has abiogenesis have to do with how old the earth is?
Tell me how one proves a negative?
You are not proving a negative, simply showing evidence of how old you think it is. Where is your evidence that it is 10000 or 500000 or any other time frame?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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