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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 341 (487808)
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


What can we expect to eventually become reality according to the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress:
1. Forced unionism.
2. Socialized medicine.
3. Weaker smaller military.
4. Paramilitary civilian government controlled services required upon every young person.
5. So called (miss called) Fairness Doctrine essentially eliminating right wing talk shows in the media, highly expanding what is regarded as hate speech.
6. Increased Jihadist terrorism by terrorists who supported the Obama presidency.
7. Further undermining of the sovereignty of Israel.
8. Increased energy costs.
9. Excessive high coal standards which will essentially put the coal mines out of business.
10. Expansion of the EPA's influence to the point of more dependence of foreign energy.
11. Severe depression as the result of regulation and high taxes on business and the well to do who provide the jobs as they choose to close up rather than to comply.
12. Expansion of regulations on businesses.
13. Wider open boarders and expansion of rights etc to illegal aliens.
14. Highly expansion of UN powers over nations and diminishment of sovereignty of nations.
15. Billions of American $$ more committed to UN welfare for third world nations, including oppressive governments.
16. Reduction of freedom of religion via the Fairness Doctrine and other government regulations.
17. Totally leftist Supreme Court and circuit courts etc which essentially permanently embeds America into socialism and the leftist agenda relative to all aspects of life.
18. Expansion of anti-gun laws.
19. Phenominal expansion of Federal government power/control and diminishment of state and local government control.
IN SHORT, THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
YES, NATION OF ISLAM'S, JEHADIST'S, COMMUNIST PARTY'S, FORCED UNIONISM'S, UN'S, CHAVEZ'S CANDIDATE AND THE CANDIDATE OF MOST OF AMERICA'S OTHER ENEMIES, BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, "WILL CHANGE AMERICA," AS PROMISED.
Edited by Buzsaw, : fix last paragraph gramatically

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Message 2 of 341 (487812)
11-05-2008 9:32 AM


Thread copied to the Expectations For The New Obama Democrat Government thread in the Coffee House forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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Message 3 of 341 (487848)
11-06-2008 12:47 AM


Relaunch of this topic
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The original "Coffee House" version of this topic was lost (at ~30 messages) to technical problems. It is here now relaunched.
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Message 4 of 341 (487852)
11-06-2008 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


Buzsaw writes:
quote:
IN SHORT, THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
And when it doesn't happen, Buzsaw, will you come back here and admit that you were wrong?

Rrhain

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Huntard
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Message 5 of 341 (487853)
11-06-2008 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


Right, too bad the topic was lost. So here's my response again.
Nice list Buz, if you are trying to parody the fear mongers. But I don't think you are. Let's all keep this list in the back of our heads and see where America stands in a few years time. Will you apologize when you turn out to be wrong Buz? Somehow I doubt it.
P.s. I'll try and keep Dread Cthulhu out of this thread

I hunt for the truth

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Message 6 of 341 (487861)
11-06-2008 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


Great Expectations
This was on Comcast News:
Atop Obama's challenge list is the global and domestic turmoil that he inherits. None of it is his own making, but it will shape his presidency before he lifts one finger.
The worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Two wars in unstable, hostile lands. Other foreign hot spots such as Pakistan and Congo, nuclear standoffs with North Korea and Iran. A warming planet.
Then there are high health care and energy costs, sunken home values, wiped-out retirement and investment accounts. A federal deficit that is exploding as the nation throws money at its economic problems, sure to crimp Obama's ability to spend his way to solutions.
He also faces challenging political realities.
Obama has a largely liberal voting record and owes a debt to the left wing of the Democratic Party, which mobilized millions on his behalf. These folks embraced his promises to end the Iraq war, move toward universal health care coverage and address harsh terrorist interrogation practices.
First, let me address your list, Buzsaw.
Buzsaw writes:
1. Forced unionism.
Phat writes:
Nothing wrong there. If folks don't want to be union, they should not apply at union companies.
2. Socialized medicine.
Phat writes:
We need this one, although perhaps in a hybrid form more friendly to our economic ways.
3. Weaker smaller military.
Phat writes:
Smaller, yes. Weaker? I don't think it will happen. We will keep up dated with the latest technology. We just need to quit selling the old stuff to other folks!
4. Paramilitary civilian government controlled services required upon every young person.
nonsense.
5. So called (miss called) Fairness Doctrine essentially eliminating right wing talk shows in the media, highly expanding what is regarded as hate speech.
no...we will always have free speech. Folks may, however, be held accountable for what they say if it harms others.
6. Increased Jihadist terrorism by terrorists who supported the Obama presidency.
We will see terrorism, but thats the spoil sports who despise free market capitalism. They will always be riled up over our power!
7. Further undermining of the sovereignty of Israel.
Yes...Israel will need to be on its own, and I fear that this may cause a future war, since we would never directly stop them.
8. Increased energy costs.
inevitable.
9. Excessive high coal standards which will essentially put the coal mines out of business.
10. Expansion of the EPA's influence to the point of more dependence of foreign energy.
11. Severe depression as the result of regulation and high taxes on business and the well to do who provide the jobs as they choose to close up rather than to comply.
If they want to horde their wealth, they will be judged by that decision.
12. Expansion of regulations on businesses.
13. Wider open boarders and expansion of rights etc to illegal aliens.
14. Highly expansion of UN powers over nations and diminishment of sovereignty of nations.
Yes, I worry about that darn U.N. also.
15. Billions of American $$ more committed to UN welfare for third world nations, including oppressive governments.
Not if the people won't put up with it!
16. Reduction of freedom of religion via the Fairness Doctrine and other government regulations.
17. Totally leftist Supreme Court and circuit courts etc which essentially permanently embeds America into socialism and the leftist agenda relative to all aspects of life.
The court is becoming more centered now. It will be neither Left or Right.
18. Expansion of anti-gun laws.
19. Phenomenal expansion of Federal government power/control and diminishment of state and local government control.
Thats my take on it.
Edited by Phat, : fixed excessive length.

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Message 7 of 341 (487862)
11-06-2008 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


Buzsaw writes:
What can we expect to eventually become reality according to the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress:
Yeah...it's gonna be terrible, Buzz. Maybe you should move out of the Country. You know, get out while you can. Leave before President Obama (Man, I like the sounds of that) takes away all your guns, forces you to join a union, gives you free medical coverage, shuts down your church, and closes your "clean coal" plant.. That's what I'd suggest to ya, Buzz. Maybe move to Canada or England. Wait, you like Theocracies...maybe you should give the Middle East a whirl. I hear that many of those Countries are run by religious zealots like yourself.

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Huntard
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Message 8 of 341 (487863)
11-06-2008 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


There is one more thing I would like to comment on.
Buzsaw writes:
the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress
Bolding mine.
Far left? You have to be kidding me! You do realizs that even with this government, you will STILL be considered on the right of the political spectrum in almost every other nation, don't you?

I hunt for the truth

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Chiroptera
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Message 9 of 341 (487864)
11-06-2008 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Huntard
11-06-2008 7:58 AM


You do realizs that even with this government, you will STILL be considered on the right of the political spectrum in almost every other nation, don't you?
Obama isn't even far left compared to mainstream American opinion, either. He's quite centrist.
"Far left" is pretty much loony-right speak for, "he disagrees with me on certain policy positions." Also, what can you expect from a movement that continues to think Obama is a secret Muslim who isn't even a natural born citizen? Or who can call Obama a Marxist and a Muslim in the same breath without even realizing the inherent contradiction?

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 341 (487865)
11-06-2008 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Rrhain
11-06-2008 1:53 AM


Regarding Apologies
Rrhain writes:
And when it doesn't happen, Buzsaw, will you come back here and admit that you were wrong?
You mean like all of those apologies I get from counterparts when they are shown to be wrong? How many apologies have you made over the years? I don't recall of any. I remember making a number of apologies; a couple of them fairly recently. They're all on the record somewhere in the EvC archives.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 341 (487866)
11-06-2008 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Chiroptera
11-06-2008 8:03 AM


Far Leftism
Chiroptera writes:
Obama isn't even far left compared to mainstream American opinion, either. He's quite centrist.
Yah sure. Case in point that you're wrong: The gay marriage defeat in Ca where 70% of blacks and a majority of latinoes helped uphold the majority traditional marriage values, contrary to Obama, who btw, is rated 4th most liberal member of Congress.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Huntard
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Message 12 of 341 (487870)
11-06-2008 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
11-06-2008 8:23 AM


Re: Far Leftism
Buzsaw writes:
Obama, who btw, is rated 4th most liberal member of Congress.
And liberal is bad? In my country, the biggest party on the right of the spectrum refer to themselves as liberals. This is often used against them to point out they are on the RIGHT side. In fact, it were liberals who made our constitution. Where does this notion of someone who's a liberal has to be on the left side of the spectrum come from?

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Message 13 of 341 (487873)
11-06-2008 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
11-06-2008 8:23 AM


Re: Far Leftism
Buz
By international standards there are no mainstream leftwing politicians in the US. Including Obama. In fact the democrats would probably be considered slightly to the right of centre in most other major Western democracies. As would Obama himself.
Whatever you think of him and whatever you think of his actual policies (i.e. the ones he actually carries out as opposed to the imaginary list in your OP) I think you can rest assured that a socialist revoloution in the US is not going to happen anytime soon
For what it is worth Obama seems to me to be a genuinely remarkable human being. Just the right person at just the right time. But I guess history will ultimately be the judge of that. As it will also be the judge of the reign of GWB (maybe the worst president in US history?)

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petrophysics1
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Message 14 of 341 (487906)
11-06-2008 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


Repeating history
Buz,
Don't worry, this empty suit will do the same a Clinton did. Try and push his BS agenda, and then we will have a Republican Congress in 2010 just like we did in 1994.
In the long run we don't have to worry, Democrat woman kill their offspring at a rate of three times that of Republican woman. In the end we will out populate them.
It might take some work and some time, but the la-la loonie liberals will lose in the end.
I can hardly wait to see the responses of the "government is my mommy and daddy" crowd to this post.
As an aside, Phat needs Obama, and a mommy and daddy,because I guess he has never grown up.
Also,do you suppose when Straggler hears an Obama speach he discovers semen running down his leg? I wouldn't be surprised given what I've heard these mindless "ObamaMorons" say.
So Buz, are you going to be an "ObamaMoron", and not worry about having to pay for gas or your mortage because he is going to help you?
Or will you actually act and think like an adult?
Something greatly missing in this forums participants.

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kuresu
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Message 15 of 341 (487911)
11-06-2008 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by petrophysics1
11-06-2008 2:04 PM


Re: Repeating history
Also,do you suppose when Straggler hears an Obama speach he discovers semen running down his leg?
Nice allusion to Hitler there, petro.
In the long run we don't have to worry, Democrat woman kill their offspring at a rate of three times that of Republican woman. In the end we will out populate them
This assumes that all children have the same political/ideological identification as their parents.
I wouldn't count on the dems making the same mistake they did in 92 now. But then again, we're in much deeper shit this time. In 92 we had fought Iraq to succesful conclusion and the economic downturn was a piece of cake.
If you look at the popular vote, Clinton also only got 43%. Obama got 53%. And currently leads Bush's second term vote by 2 million votes and 2%. Which means, unlike Clinton, more people have voted for Obama (in absolute and relative terms) than anyone else ever (total votes) or since Bush the elder (percentage of total vote). He also has a greater total vote spread (7.5 million more voted for Obama than McCain) than Bush vs. Dukakis (7 million). We are looking at the greatest "mandate" in a generation, and Bush claimed a "mandate" in 2004 under a much less comanding win.
The question is, when Obama actually carries through and is a good president will you accept it? Or are you in the crowd of knee-jerk rabid conservatism? The branch that refuses to even contemplate anything to your left for fear of communism?
ABE:
I should add: should Obama seriously fail in his promises (not from Washington procedures, but things like honesty, transparency, partisanship, etc) I will not be happy. I will hold his feet to the fire--he deserves no blind loyalty, no blissfully unaware obedience. Do the republicans think the same of their elected officials? Or is party-stripe enough for support?
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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