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Jazzns
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Message 16 of 140 (487894)
11-06-2008 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 10:57 PM


Palin literally is stupid according to FOX News.
Your beloved FOX News reported yesterday about how Palin did not know what countries constituted NAFTA (hint: its in the name), and thought that Africa was a single country.
What was even funnier was watching Bill O'Riley trying desperatly to defend Palin against this news.
Combine that with the fact that she didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was, was totally inept at even the most softball interview questions, and capped her whole experience off by being punked by a Canadian radio station pretending to be French President Sarkozy using a Pepe LePew accent talking about porn made in her honor.
Epic Fail.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Huntard
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Message 17 of 140 (487895)
11-06-2008 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Fosdick
11-06-2008 12:01 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hey, don't get me wrong, kudos she did it! It takes balls to run for vice-president.
What I'm getting at here is that McCain has so many to choose from, yet he actually went: "Well, that Palin ain't half bad, let's take her"? You're telling me she was the best pick he could make? If so, then I guess the republicans are in a far deeper mess then anyone could've guessed. Or am I missing something vital in American politics?

I hunt for the truth

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onifre
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Message 18 of 140 (487896)
11-06-2008 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Wounded King
11-06-2008 3:19 AM


Hi WK,
To remind you, see this prophetic article from the Onion in 2001.
Great article, the folks at the Onion are indeed quite prophetic. My favorite of the predictions was...
quote:
During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.
"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"

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onifre
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Message 19 of 140 (487899)
11-06-2008 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Huntard
11-06-2008 12:48 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hi Huntard,
It takes balls to run for vice-president.
Apparently not.
I think you set that one up for a punchline.
What I'm getting at here is that McCain has so many to choose from, yet he actually went: "Well, that Palin ain't half bad, let's take her"? You're telling me she was the best pick he could make?
I think the problem is in assuming that McCain choose her. I think she was chosen for him.
And yes there was clearly a better choice, Romney, who pundits thought would be the obvious choice. Not only for V.P. but for the presidential position too. Shit even Huckabee thought he would be chosen for V.P..
Or am I missing something vital in American politics?
Thats the way the system works, it is important to keep us in the dark and distracted. We are not suppose to fully understand American politics, or politics in general for that matter. The thinking is that we as citizens are too stupid to know whats good for us, and the country, so we are guilded ever so gently like cattle to where they feel we should be.
Here's a video I hope you can appreciate,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_uXGCZenwY

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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Fosdick 
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Message 20 of 140 (487900)
11-06-2008 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Jazzns
11-06-2008 12:38 PM


Re: Palin literally is stupid according to FOX News.
Jazzns writes:
...Combine that with the fact that she didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was, was totally inept at even the most softball interview questions, and capped her whole experience off by being punked by a Canadian radio station pretending to be French President Sarkozy using a Pepe LePew accent talking about porn made in her honor.
Epic Fail.
Does the fact that Joe Biden thought that Pakistan deployed nuclear weapons against its enemies count for anything?

The first lesson of philosophy is that we may all be mistaken. ”Will Durant

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kuresu
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Message 21 of 140 (487901)
11-06-2008 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Fosdick
11-06-2008 1:16 PM


Re: Palin literally is stupid according to FOX News.
Well, Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan and India almost used them against each other in the late 90s.
Of course, McCain can't keep Iran/Al-Qaeda Shi'a/Sunni straight in what is arguably the most important region for foreign policy.
Those examples are just minor gaffes compared to the complete blank known as Palin's knowledge regarding anything outside of the US.

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Fosdick 
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Message 22 of 140 (487903)
11-06-2008 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by kuresu
11-06-2008 1:23 PM


Re: Palin literally is stupid according to FOX News.
kuresu writes:
Well, Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan and India almost used them against each other in the late 90s.
And I almost had a date once with Mia Farrow. My point is that I would expect any high school history student to know that only one country ever deployed nuclear weapons against another.

The first lesson of philosophy is that we may all be mistaken. ”Will Durant

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Jazzns
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Message 23 of 140 (487904)
11-06-2008 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Fosdick
11-06-2008 1:16 PM


Re: Palin literally is stupid according to FOX News.
Does the fact that Joe Biden thought that Pakistan deployed nuclear weapons against its enemies count for anything?
I was never the biggest Joe Biden fan, but that is at least moderatly close to reality. They did test nukes very close to India in an act that was very provacative.
Are you seriously trying to compare that to not being able to list the countries of North America? Or thinking that Africa is a country?
Were talking about the difference between misreading a news headline and graduating from the 2nd grade.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Huntard
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Message 24 of 140 (487905)
11-06-2008 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by onifre
11-06-2008 1:15 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hey Onifre,
Apparently not.
I think you set that one up for a punchline.
I wouldn't dare.
I think the problem is in assuming that McCain choose her. I think she was chosen for him.
And yes there was clearly a better choice, Romney, who pundits thought would be the obvious choice. Not only for V.P. but for the presidential position too. Shit even Huckabee thought he would be chosen for V.P..
Hmm, yes that could be a possibility. But what the ones that chose her thinking then? "Oi! let's get a daft one in there! Bet they'd never expect that! They might be so startled they'd start doing daft things themselves! And then we have 'em! Yeehaa!". Doesn't seem like a good way to run your party.
Thats the way the system works, it is important to keep us in the dark and distracted. We are not suppose to fully understand American politics, or politics in general for that matter. The thinking is that we as citizens are too stupid to know whats good for us, and the country, so we are guilded ever so gently like cattle to where they feel we should be.
That's a bit paranoid, no? Anyway....If we're not supposed to know how this works, how come you have that knowledge? You know, sometimes I tend to agree with the "citizens are too stupid to know what's good for them" bit. When I see some of the things those pollsters produce I can only wonder where they got the retards to answer their questions. Or when I see the "average Joe on the street interview" I sometimes feel like going out and kicking the first one that looks at me with the same glazed eyes a good back thrashing!
Here's a video I hope you can appreciate,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_uXGCZenwY
Yes, like I said, a bit paranoid, though I'm sure his intentions are noble.

I hunt for the truth

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NosyNed
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Message 25 of 140 (487907)
11-06-2008 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Jazzns
11-06-2008 1:51 PM


Biden's Comment?.
Do we have a video of him saying this? A transcript? Any proof?

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onifre
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Message 26 of 140 (487908)
11-06-2008 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by kuresu
11-06-2008 1:23 PM


Re: Palin literally is stupid according to FOX News.
Hi kuresu,
Well, Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan and India almost used them against each other in the late 90s.
And in 2002. Also, it may be that Biden was using the word deploy in a different manner. Not making excuses for him just giving a different perspective.
Take a look,
http://www.pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?showtopic=...
quote:
Nov 25 2002, 12:53 AM
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (FPS) -- Pakistan's military has deployed Ghauri
missiles at various places in Pakistan to protect the country's nuclear
installations and nuclear test facilities in Baluchistan from any air or
missile attack by India.
The Ghauri missiles are now armed with nuclear
and conventional warheads. They were moved out from research
laboratories and aimed at various Indian cities as well as India's
nuclear installations on Wednesday after Pakistani intelligence sources
disclosed that an Indian Air Force, Army, or missile attack against
Pakistan or Azad Kashmir could take place in the near future.
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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Fosdick 
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Message 27 of 140 (487909)
11-06-2008 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by NosyNed
11-06-2008 2:07 PM


Re: Biden's Comment?.
NosyNed writes:
Do we have a video of him saying this? A transcript? Any proof?
If you will accept me as a witness, which I doubt, I can tell you that I saw and heard him say that in a debate* against Palin. And it wasn't a throw-away statement either; he said point blank that Pakistan had deployed nuclear weapons against its enemy.
*Added by edit: Here's the transcript of that debate (but you'll have to scan through it).
Edited by Hoot Mon, : added link to transcript

The first lesson of philosophy is that we may all be mistaken. ”Will Durant

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onifre
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Message 28 of 140 (487910)
11-06-2008 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Huntard
11-06-2008 2:03 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hey Huntard,
Doesn't seem like a good way to run your party.
Unless the objective was to lose.
Oi! let's get a daft one in there!
I don't think they said "Oi" my Netherlands friend.
That's a bit paranoid, no?
Not at all. It should be common knowledge by now. And not just in the US, even Canada has been faulted for keeping citizens in the dark,
Government keeps public in the dark: Critics | The Star
quote:
Apr 07, 2008 04:30 AM
Ottawa Bureau
OTTAWA-Canadians are increasingly being kept in the dark by the federal government and its agencies on matters ranging from the war in Afghanistan to the most routine information, experts say.
Critics are alarmed at the growing trend to deny basic information that Canadians are entitled to, especially in the two years since the Conservative government came to power with a promise to be open and accountable.
Suzanne Legault, assistant federal information commissioner, says that government and its institutions have to "move from disclosing information on a need-to-know basis to disclosing information on the right-to-know basis."
Legault said the John Manley-led panel report into the Afghanistan mission "hit the nail on the head when it said the government has to understand that Canadians have an interest in what is going on in Afghanistan and various issues that the government is tackling."
"The government has to do a better job at disclosing information," she told the Star last week.
Former Ontario Liberal MPP Sean Conway, who spent 28 years in politics before leaving in 2003, said the simple truth is that Canadians have a right to know.
"It is one of the assumptions of a democratic society that its citizens are going to be provided with timely, relevant and understandable information," said Conway, a former cabinet minister and now special adviser at Queen's University.
Conway said when governments frustrate that flow of information "they are doing something quite destructive to one of the key pillars of democratic society."

If we're not supposed to know how this works, how come you have that knowledge?
Lets keep that to ourselves.
I sometimes feel like going out and kicking the first one that looks at me with the same glazed eyes a good back thrashing!
I'll join you, then we'll drink to our success!

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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NosyNed
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Message 29 of 140 (487914)
11-06-2008 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Fosdick
11-06-2008 2:13 PM


Re: Biden's Comment?.
Does the fact that Joe Biden thought that Pakistan deployed nuclear weapons against its enemies count for anything?
And he never said such a thing in that transcript.
He did say:
quote:
Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons.
Which is, of course, completely true.

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Jazzns
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Message 30 of 140 (487916)
11-06-2008 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by NosyNed
11-06-2008 2:39 PM


Re: Biden's Comment?.
Nice debunking! But even if HM HAD been correct in his characterization, the point still stands that it is a FAR CRY from the example of an grown woman, Governor of a state, not having the same geographic knowledge of the vast majority of elementary school students.
It is also extrodinarly dangerous because the differences between Sudan and South Africa for example are vast.
This woman would not be able to pay for her plane ticket from her winnings on "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader." Although she would probably be super stoked to meet Jeff Foxworthy.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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