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onifre
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Message 18 of 140 (487896)
11-06-2008 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Wounded King
11-06-2008 3:19 AM


Hi WK,
To remind you, see this prophetic article from the Onion in 2001.
Great article, the folks at the Onion are indeed quite prophetic. My favorite of the predictions was...
quote:
During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.
"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"

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onifre
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Message 19 of 140 (487899)
11-06-2008 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Huntard
11-06-2008 12:48 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hi Huntard,
It takes balls to run for vice-president.
Apparently not.
I think you set that one up for a punchline.
What I'm getting at here is that McCain has so many to choose from, yet he actually went: "Well, that Palin ain't half bad, let's take her"? You're telling me she was the best pick he could make?
I think the problem is in assuming that McCain choose her. I think she was chosen for him.
And yes there was clearly a better choice, Romney, who pundits thought would be the obvious choice. Not only for V.P. but for the presidential position too. Shit even Huckabee thought he would be chosen for V.P..
Or am I missing something vital in American politics?
Thats the way the system works, it is important to keep us in the dark and distracted. We are not suppose to fully understand American politics, or politics in general for that matter. The thinking is that we as citizens are too stupid to know whats good for us, and the country, so we are guilded ever so gently like cattle to where they feel we should be.
Here's a video I hope you can appreciate,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_uXGCZenwY

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 26 of 140 (487908)
11-06-2008 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by kuresu
11-06-2008 1:23 PM


Re: Palin literally is stupid according to FOX News.
Hi kuresu,
Well, Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan and India almost used them against each other in the late 90s.
And in 2002. Also, it may be that Biden was using the word deploy in a different manner. Not making excuses for him just giving a different perspective.
Take a look,
http://www.pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?showtopic=...
quote:
Nov 25 2002, 12:53 AM
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (FPS) -- Pakistan's military has deployed Ghauri
missiles at various places in Pakistan to protect the country's nuclear
installations and nuclear test facilities in Baluchistan from any air or
missile attack by India.
The Ghauri missiles are now armed with nuclear
and conventional warheads. They were moved out from research
laboratories and aimed at various Indian cities as well as India's
nuclear installations on Wednesday after Pakistani intelligence sources
disclosed that an Indian Air Force, Army, or missile attack against
Pakistan or Azad Kashmir could take place in the near future.
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 28 of 140 (487910)
11-06-2008 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Huntard
11-06-2008 2:03 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hey Huntard,
Doesn't seem like a good way to run your party.
Unless the objective was to lose.
Oi! let's get a daft one in there!
I don't think they said "Oi" my Netherlands friend.
That's a bit paranoid, no?
Not at all. It should be common knowledge by now. And not just in the US, even Canada has been faulted for keeping citizens in the dark,
Government keeps public in the dark: Critics | The Star
quote:
Apr 07, 2008 04:30 AM
Ottawa Bureau
OTTAWA-Canadians are increasingly being kept in the dark by the federal government and its agencies on matters ranging from the war in Afghanistan to the most routine information, experts say.
Critics are alarmed at the growing trend to deny basic information that Canadians are entitled to, especially in the two years since the Conservative government came to power with a promise to be open and accountable.
Suzanne Legault, assistant federal information commissioner, says that government and its institutions have to "move from disclosing information on a need-to-know basis to disclosing information on the right-to-know basis."
Legault said the John Manley-led panel report into the Afghanistan mission "hit the nail on the head when it said the government has to understand that Canadians have an interest in what is going on in Afghanistan and various issues that the government is tackling."
"The government has to do a better job at disclosing information," she told the Star last week.
Former Ontario Liberal MPP Sean Conway, who spent 28 years in politics before leaving in 2003, said the simple truth is that Canadians have a right to know.
"It is one of the assumptions of a democratic society that its citizens are going to be provided with timely, relevant and understandable information," said Conway, a former cabinet minister and now special adviser at Queen's University.
Conway said when governments frustrate that flow of information "they are doing something quite destructive to one of the key pillars of democratic society."

If we're not supposed to know how this works, how come you have that knowledge?
Lets keep that to ourselves.
I sometimes feel like going out and kicking the first one that looks at me with the same glazed eyes a good back thrashing!
I'll join you, then we'll drink to our success!

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 34 of 140 (487927)
11-06-2008 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by fallacycop
11-06-2008 3:52 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hi fallacycop,
More unwarented cynicism
Cynicism yes, unwarrented why?
I believe I even provided a good article, not even from the US, from another country(Canada), where they too have problems with the government keeping them in the dark.
If I search well enough I can probably produce many more of these articles. It is a global issue with all political system.

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onifre
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Message 41 of 140 (487944)
11-06-2008 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Huntard
11-06-2008 4:41 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Hi Huntard,
I know, and wouldn't that have to be "Dutch friend"
Or friend from the Netherlands, which was my original intention, which I obviously screwed up. lol
(I should know, after all EVERYBODY smokes pot over here )
Then put those beers away! I have a better idea!
Well, yes, governments are supposed to let people know, but sometimes this can turn the public eye against you. People don't always like the changes, even though they are better in the long run, so keeping something under wraps isn't always a bad thing.
Well, this depends on what the ends are. The ends may justify the means if it truly is done for the publics benefit, maybe, but it does not seem like the 'publics benefit' is what they are after. It seeems like financial gain.
Though a more open government also has the benefit of seeming "honest" to the people.
Open government? Thats an oxymoron. Perhaps it may give the illusion of honesty but, as long as its a government controled by one class of society it will still only have its own interests in mind, not the peoples.
Great! *Takes out two beers* Cheers mate!
Cheers mate!...now, about that weed?
Edited by onifre, : grammer

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 43 of 140 (487946)
11-06-2008 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by fallacycop
11-06-2008 4:06 PM


Re: No Hail Mary
Fo my benefit, tell me, why would they want that?
I believe you can answer it yourself.
If you had foreign business interests, and the US pretty much guilds the global market, and we currently are viewed as an oppressive nation full of bigots and racists(like Buzsaw ) who want to impose western culture throughout the world, and this type of mass opinion of the US is causing problems with foreign affairs, who would YOU want to be the face of America, Obama or McCain?
If you remove the illusion of a 2 party system, and see it as a One Class System, then you may begin to see what the real interests are.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 51 of 140 (487984)
11-07-2008 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by cavediver
11-07-2008 5:04 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Why do Republicans insist on making themselves such easy targets for ridicule
I don't think they insist, I think it's inevitable...

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onifre
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Message 59 of 140 (487998)
11-07-2008 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by New Cat's Eye
11-07-2008 10:05 AM


Are there links to the leaks then?
All I could find was this,
Palin Didn't Know Africa Is A Continent, Says Fox News Reporter (VIDEO) | HuffPost Latest News
quote:
However, perhaps one of the most astounding and previously unknown tidbits about Sarah Palin has to do with her already dubious grasp of geography. According to Fox News Chief Political Correspondent Carl Cameron, there was great concern within the McCain campaign that Palin lacked "a degree of knowledgeability necessary to be a running mate, a vice president, a heartbeat away from the presidency," in part because she didn't know which countries were in NAFTA, and she "didn't understand that Africa was a continent, rather than a series, a country just in itself."
This is the first place of heard of it. Its hard to believe.
Well, it's coming from FoxNews so it may still be hard to believe.
[abe:]http://blogs.reuters.com/...hanistan-our-neighboring-country
quote:
SAN FRANCISCO - Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin called Afghanistan “our neighboring country” on Sunday in a speech that could revive questions over her tendency to stumble into linguistic knots.
Three days after a mostly gaffe-free debate performance, the Alaska governor fumbled during a speech in which she praised U.S. soldiers for “fighting terrorism and protecting us and our democratic values”.
“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.
Palin adds,
quote:
“I was just trying to give Tina Fey more material ” job security for Saturday Night Live,” Palin said.
Edited by onifre, : add other source

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onifre
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Message 68 of 140 (488033)
11-07-2008 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Fosdick
11-07-2008 12:28 PM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
” bring into effective action; utilize : they are not always able to deploy this skill.
It's the use of it in a sentence that gives it context. Look at the way it was used in a sentence,
quote:
bring into effective action; utilize :they are not always able to deploy this skill
Clearly Biden was not using it with this definition. You are forcing ambiguity on it. It is not ambiguous, the statement was clear, and in proper context as per the first definition.
quote:
move (troops) into position for military action : forces were deployed at strategic locations.
” [ intrans. ] (of troops) move into position for such action : the air force began to deploy forward.
When the U.S. deployed its nuclear weapons against Japan we didn't just "move them into place."
That is because we carried the deployment further, but initially they were deployed to a ready state. Then, they carried out the mission.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 71 of 140 (488045)
11-07-2008 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Fosdick
11-07-2008 1:01 PM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
only to troops and not to nuclear weapons.
Being that im a former Marine(I was 18 and and stupid-lol) I can tell you that troops are considered a weapon. So, yes, if troops mobilize you are deploying them, they are a weapon. If tanks are mobilized you are deploying them as well, they are a weapon. If missiles are placed into position you have deployed them, they are all considered weapons. There is no difference between troops, tanks, or missiles, they are considered US government property and weapons for war, and all 3 get deployed.
[abe:]
You don't need me to say that the US deployed missiles, Russia has already warned us about it.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN2...
quote:
Russia warns US of missile deployment
NDTV Correspondent
Thursday, November 06, 2008, (Moscow)
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier has said Russia was sending out the 'wrong signal', after Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said that he would deploy missiles in Russia's Baltic Sea territory, in response to US missile defence plans in eastern Europe.
Russian President Dmitri A Medvedev in his first state of the nation address on Wednesday, had greeted his future American counterpart president-elect Senator Barack Obama, with a promise to place short-range missiles on Russia's western border if Washington proceeds with its planned missile defense systems in Eastern Europe.
In a speech to the federal assembly, Mr Medvedev noted that Russia has 'no inherent conflict with America' and invited the new administration to start afresh with Moscow.
I would like to add though, if you notice the beauty of American euphemisms, Russia was going deploy missiles in response to our missile defence plans in eastern Europe. It should read "Russia deploys missiles in reaponse to the US missile deployment in eastern Europe". We didn't want the US to sound like the aggressors though.
Edited by onifre, : added russian article

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 87 of 140 (488098)
11-07-2008 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Fosdick
11-07-2008 2:30 PM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
I wish I had joined the Marines when I was 18 instead of becoming a stupid frat boy.
It's the exact same thing, only we wear a uniform. Barracks at night are a frat-houses.
And in my defence I joined in 94, when Clinton was at the helm, it was safe for us. I would not have joined with GWB in charge. Then again im 33 now so I don't know what the 18 year old me would have done with a GWB admin. I was really gun-ho at 18 so I probably would have joined anways.

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onifre
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Message 103 of 140 (488276)
11-09-2008 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Taz
11-09-2008 9:29 AM


(3) Currently, I feel my vote doesn't count at all. After all, that's what the electoral system does.
I couldn't agree with you more. I too did not vote.
Also, anyone who was following the election could clearly see that Obama was going to win. You had to sift through the bs on tv to see it but, it was at least clear to me that he would take the presidency.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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