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dwise1
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Message 46 of 140 (487969)
11-07-2008 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by LudoRephaim
11-07-2008 1:16 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Sorry, just concentrating on one particular statement (too late and too much tequila tonight to do otherwise):
to trying to make Joe Biden's word mishap ("Pakistan has deployed nuclear weapons
Do you have any concept of what "deploying" means? That means to field the weapon/unit ready to engage. Whether you actually engage or not. Do you understand that? You deploy, but that does not mean that you actually engage. Do you understand that?
So, Pakistan had deployed nukes. Does that mean that they had actually nuked anyone (ie, "engaged the enemy")? No! Deploying a weapon system does not automatically mean that they had actually used that weapon system.

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Message 47 of 140 (487971)
11-07-2008 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by LudoRephaim
11-07-2008 1:16 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Joe Biden's word mishap ("Pakistan has deployed nuclear weapons"... Okay, which country have they nuked? India? Is testing nukes near a nation, targeting a nation with nukes without firing, having severe tensions with another nation, the exact same thing as nuking them? Has Mumbai been hit? How are those Tigers and Asian Elephants there holding up to the fallout?
Err, Ludo, you're not thinking of running for president are you? The idea that the guy on the button doesn't know the meaning of the word 'deploy' scares the f'ck out of me
Why do Republicans insist on making themselves such easy targets for ridicule?

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Huntard
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Message 48 of 140 (487972)
11-07-2008 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by LudoRephaim
11-07-2008 1:16 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
LudoRephaim writes:
I knew that lefties would pounce on Palin, and Evc, as shown in the replies on this thread, are no different.
I'm NOT a leftie, all my friends consider me a righty, and so do I.
to trying to make Joe Biden's word mishap ("Pakistan has deployed nuclear weapons"... Okay, which country have they nuked? India? Is testing nukes near a nation, targeting a nation with nukes without firing, having severe tensions with another nation, the exact same thing as nuking them? Has Mumbai been hit? How are those Tigers and Asian Elephants there holding up to the fallout?) "Better" than palin's, its all seen here.
Biden did NOT say Pakistan nuked somebody, as pointed out by Nosyned and a bit by myself, he said "deployed" which DOES NOT mean "fired", but "ready to fire at any minute". Palin on the other hand, well, let's just say she gave me the immpression of not being the brightest one there is.
That's it for now

I hunt for the truth

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Larni
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Message 49 of 140 (487973)
11-07-2008 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by cavediver
11-07-2008 5:04 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Cavediver writes:
Why do Republicans insist on making themselves such easy targets for ridicule?
Say, that sounds like a great name for a series of youtube vidoes!

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bluescat48
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Message 50 of 140 (487981)
11-07-2008 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by LudoRephaim
11-07-2008 1:16 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Republicans didn't go out to vote in full strength, and media conservatives continued to attack and disclaim McCain, because they didn't like him, and the latter phenomena had effect on the former. He wasn't a Bush JR. Unlike McCain, Palin was picked because she was ultra-conservative, charming, cute (to me she's hot)and had charisma. But she was also targeted by righters; several people in my own Church (mostly Republicans) didn't like her, one of them (at least) because she was (get this!) PENTECOSTAL! That would no doubt be echoed in other Churches (Southern Bapist, and the like) nationwide.
That has got to be the stupidist reason not to vote. I have often said that in voting one picks the "lessor of 2 evils." No candidate agrees with me on everything. My vote is for the person who agrees more. As for the religious beliefs of a candidate, who cares as long as they keep their beliefs in the church. Idon't care if a candidate is Penticostal, Mormon, Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, deist, agnostic, atheist or anything else as long as he uses the good judgement toward an idea and not be pro or con solely on religious beliefs.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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onifre
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Message 51 of 140 (487984)
11-07-2008 9:25 AM
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11-07-2008 5:04 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Why do Republicans insist on making themselves such easy targets for ridicule
I don't think they insist, I think it's inevitable...

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Jazzns
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Message 52 of 140 (487986)
11-07-2008 9:30 AM
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11-07-2008 1:16 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
You dont want somebody in office whose republican AND cares about the planet, even mildly!!! The ghost of Ronald Reagan forbid!!!!!!!
And that is why Republicans will be a minority party for the next several generations.
That is of course unless they move to the center.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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Message 53 of 140 (487988)
11-07-2008 9:37 AM


Does anyone have a link to where, or a quote of how, Palin didn't know the countries in NAFTA and thought that Africa was one country?

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Message 54 of 140 (487989)
11-07-2008 9:45 AM
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11-07-2008 9:37 AM


Does anyone have a link to where, or a quote of how, Palin didn't know the countries in NAFTA and thought that Africa was one country?
That is going to be hard to come by since it seems these new things are all alleged leaks from McCain staffers. There is a possibility that they are trying to assign blame elsewhere but this seems like an odd way to go about it so I would give some credence to this. (it isn't inconsistent with what I've seen of her)

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Woodsy
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Message 55 of 140 (487991)
11-07-2008 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by bluescat48
11-07-2008 8:47 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Idon't care if a candidate is Penticostal, Mormon, Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, deist, agnostic, atheist or anything else as long as he uses the good judgement toward an idea and not be pro or con solely on religious beliefs.
I wish one could do that. However, some ideas are so dumb that holding them betrays a lack of intelligence, or at least an alarmingly tenuous grasp of reality.
Perhaps it might depend on the office sought. It would be seriously weird to have a YEC in charge of a nation's science programs, for example, but a dog catcher could have any number of crazy notions and still do a good job.
Edited by Woodsy, : quote tags corrected

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Message 56 of 140 (487992)
11-07-2008 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by NosyNed
11-07-2008 9:45 AM


That is going to be hard to come by since it seems these new things are all alleged leaks from McCain staffers.
Are there links to the leaks then?
This is the first place of heard of it. Its hard to believe.
I suspect its another mis-quote and/or taken out of context... a spin.
There is a possibility that they are trying to assign blame elsewhere but this seems like an odd way to go about it so I would give some credence to this. (it isn't inconsistent with what I've seen of her)
What happened to:
quote:
That is why important things need to be checked over and over.
Or is that only for things that you don't want to be true

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NosyNed
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Message 57 of 140 (487994)
11-07-2008 10:26 AM
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11-07-2008 10:05 AM


That is why important things need to be checked over and over.
Or is that only for things that you don't want to be true
The opposite: if it is important that it be true you'd better check that it is doubly.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 58 of 140 (487995)
11-07-2008 10:35 AM
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11-07-2008 10:26 AM


That is why important things need to be checked over and over.
Or is that only for things that you don't want to be true
The opposite: if it is important that it be true you'd better check that it is doubly.
It seems, otherwise, that people double check the things that they do not want to be true (Biden's quote) and just accept as true the things they do want to be (Palin's quote).

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onifre
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Message 59 of 140 (487998)
11-07-2008 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by New Cat's Eye
11-07-2008 10:05 AM


Are there links to the leaks then?
All I could find was this,
Palin Didn't Know Africa Is A Continent, Says Fox News Reporter (VIDEO) | HuffPost Latest News
quote:
However, perhaps one of the most astounding and previously unknown tidbits about Sarah Palin has to do with her already dubious grasp of geography. According to Fox News Chief Political Correspondent Carl Cameron, there was great concern within the McCain campaign that Palin lacked "a degree of knowledgeability necessary to be a running mate, a vice president, a heartbeat away from the presidency," in part because she didn't know which countries were in NAFTA, and she "didn't understand that Africa was a continent, rather than a series, a country just in itself."
This is the first place of heard of it. Its hard to believe.
Well, it's coming from FoxNews so it may still be hard to believe.
[abe:]http://blogs.reuters.com/...hanistan-our-neighboring-country
quote:
SAN FRANCISCO - Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin called Afghanistan “our neighboring country” on Sunday in a speech that could revive questions over her tendency to stumble into linguistic knots.
Three days after a mostly gaffe-free debate performance, the Alaska governor fumbled during a speech in which she praised U.S. soldiers for “fighting terrorism and protecting us and our democratic values”.
“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.
Palin adds,
quote:
“I was just trying to give Tina Fey more material ” job security for Saturday Night Live,” Palin said.
Edited by onifre, : add other source

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Message 60 of 140 (488005)
11-07-2008 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by onifre
11-07-2008 10:39 AM


Thanks for digging those up.
Without the quotes in proper context, its hard to decide whether or not I believe that she siad those things. From these, we can't really know just how stupid she is.
While we're on the subjects of gaffes though, this is from the bottom of your first link:
quote:
Palin’s opponent, Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, has also committed high-profile gaffes, including claiming in a recent interview that President Franklin D. Roosevelt calmed fears in a TV address at the beginning of the Great Depression. There was no TV in 1929 ” Roosevelt wasn’t president at the time.

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