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bluescat48
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Message 46 of 341 (488107)
11-07-2008 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by LudoRephaim
11-07-2008 2:58 PM


Re: Predicts for Obamicts
20. Higher taxes
yes for those making over $600000 a year
21. Repeal of Bush tax cuts
Which is one reason the gvernment has such a huge deficit. The rich don't need tax cuts especially when they ship jobs overseas for cheap labor so they can pocket more money.
25. Gay Marriage made legal
So what? Why should one group be penalized.
30. Legalized Marijuana (?)
Then the Govt could collect taxes on itand help ease the deficit.
Edited by bluescat48, : typo

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Message 47 of 341 (488113)
11-07-2008 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Huntard
11-06-2008 1:54 AM


Will you apologize when you turn out to be wrong Buz? Somehow I doubt it.
What will happen is that the Lunatic Right will claim that the bravery and dedication of "Real Americans" kept that Muslim Marxist in line.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
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Huntard
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Message 48 of 341 (488117)
11-07-2008 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by onifre
11-07-2008 5:42 PM


Re: Predicts for Obamicts
Onifre writes:
Naw man, it's easy enough to get, and it makes it special for those who can get it. Fuck the rest, I don't like to share. Plus then the government will have it's greedy hands in it and will probably control the THC levels. Then we'll just get some cheap ass comercial grade government weed that tastes like oregano. No thanks. Keep it illegal, keep it underground, keep it out of government control.
Well, I just couldn't let this pass.
In the Netherlands, weed is technically illegal. But the government, in all its wisdom, decided not to persecute anyone using it or selling it. As a result our THC values are very high, everyone can get it , and the wrong people make money out of it. For example: I live literally 300 yards from a "coffeeshop" (for the uninformed, over here, that's where you get your stuff). Now the owner of this establishment drives an Aston Martin DB9. If the government would only legalize it, they could make a TON of money. The only thing they'd have to look out for is that the THC value doesn't drop too much, since then people will still go to the "wrong people" for their pot. It's a double edged knife, and (if done well) a win win situation for our government. Legalize pot, grow it themselves, but keep it high quality, else people won't buy it, and really rake in the money.
Hey, who can blame a guy for dreaming,

I hunt for the truth

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RAZD
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Message 49 of 341 (488120)
11-07-2008 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by LudoRephaim
11-07-2008 2:58 PM


Re: Predicts for Obamicts
20. Higher taxes
As opposed to unregulated profligate spending?
How about:
20. A balanced budget and long term reduction in the national debt, as spending is matched to income.
21. Repeal of Bush tax cuts
Which, curiously, did not do anything for the bottom of the economy and thus was impotent at preventing the current financial crisis.
How about:
21. Taxes matched to benefit. If you benefit from the American economy then you support the government that protects and enables that economy.
The republicans were big on "user fees" a while back, and taxes are no different. It's not "redistribution", rather it is part of recognizing the value of a functioning government to enable an economy in which you can profit.
Who knows, maybe the idea of sharing the wealth with those who enable it through paying higher wages might "trickle up" to the small recesses of the mind, rather than greed and selfishness.
You want to prevent mortgage failures? Pay a living wage.
5.Perhaps economic recovery (A BIG IF)
Feed the bottom of the economy, allow people to enjoy a life with dignity, and it will happen.
25. Gay Marriage made legal
26. Polygamy will be afterwards debated by te Supreme court
And when the world doesn't end, then we can start paying attention to real problems.
How about
25. Stem cell research leading to medical procedures that save the lives of thousands of diabetics, alzheimer's, parkinson's, dimentia, and several cancers (like lymphoma, a personal interest).
26. Scientific research in general, an atmosphere of rationality rather than repression. Increased government investment in new knowldege.
And let's add a few:
31. A return to positive participation in the UN and an easing of artificial restrictions of the use of US money: give with a free heart or don't give.
32. An end to wire-tapping of Americans and a return to honoring the constitution.
33. Closing down Gitmo, black ops renditions, hiding prisoners, etc.
34. Making friends, not enemies.
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : added re Message 42

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onifre
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Message 50 of 341 (488121)
11-07-2008 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Huntard
11-07-2008 7:40 PM


Re: Predicts for Obamicts
But the government, in all its wisdom, decided not to persecute anyone using it or selling it.
This is a cool thing your government did. They realize the ridiculousness of persecuting people for smoking a plant.
For example: I live literally 300 yards from a "coffeeshop"
The smell must be amazing, lucky you my "Dutch" friend.
coffeeshop" (for the uninformed, over here, that's where you get your stuff).
Yeah, we call them "Public High Schools" here in the US.
Now the owner of this establishment drives an Aston Martin DB9.
With success comes rewards, right? "Free market", isn't that the name of the game? Take it while you can till they don't let you?
If the government would only legalize it, they could make a TON of money.
Yes they could, then they could buy government issued Aston Martin DB9s.
The only thing they'd have to look out for is that the THC value doesn't drop too much, since then people will still go to the "wrong people" for their pot.
They'll do this at first. Once they eliminate every mom and pop operation, and they are the only ones who are making it, they'll lower the levels till it's crap, and raise the prices till it's all profit for them and none of the quality for us.
Hey, who can blame a guy for dreaming,
Whos team are you on anyways, do you work for the government, or do you just want them to profit more? lol
Edited by onifre, : spelling

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Huntard
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Message 51 of 341 (488128)
11-07-2008 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by onifre
11-07-2008 8:11 PM


Re: Predicts for Obamicts
This is a cool thing your government did. They realize the ridiculousness of persecuting people for smoking a plant.
It sure is.
The smell must be amazing, lucky you my "Dutch" friend.
Actually, since you can smoke it anywhere you like, I really don't smell much of it.
Yeah, we call them "Public High Schools" here in the US.
With success comes rewards, right? "Free market", isn't that the name of the game? Take it while you can till they don't let you?
Yep, that's it now.
Yes they could, then they could buy government issued Aston Martin DB9s.
Or use the profits to lower taxes on other things.
They'll do this at first. Once they eliminate every mom and pop operation, and they are the only ones who are making it, they'll lower the levels till it's crap, and raise the prices till it's all profit for them and none of the quality for us.
Well, first of all, they aren't really "mom and pop operations" they're pretty much run by criminals. They could try and pull that one off, but as soon as the product starts deteriorating, and the prices go up, be sure the "old" suppliers will pop up again and take over.
Whos team are you on anyways, do you work for the government, or do you just want them to profit more? lol
I guess I think of ideal situations. If the government would legalize pot, it could make so much money that other taxes could be cut, this would lead to more spending, which would lead to an economic boost, which would lead to more government income...and so forth. Perhaps this is all to perfect to hope for, but again, who can blame a guy for dreaming.
P.s. I'm not working for the government, I don't even agree with the current government on many issues. Like I said, I try to find an ideal situation.

I hunt for the truth

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Buzsaw
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Message 52 of 341 (488129)
11-07-2008 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by kuresu
11-07-2008 12:06 PM


Important Question To Answer Here
Hey Buz, did you spew this invective against the previous democratic presidents in your lifetime? I'm assuming that would be FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton.
Or have you simply become more spiteful, more hate-filled, more fear-mongering over time?
I'm glad you asked, Kuresu.
1. My concern is not about hateful invective. It's about alarming firsts regarding this mysterious creature which gullible and impetuous ignorant Americans have thrown the dice for to become top dog in the nation and for that matter, the world.
2. Even the mainstream media pundits like Brokaw are now, after the fact mumbling among themselves that we don't really know what sort of creature we have elected to the highest office to preside over us all.
3. This mystery man has refused to make public his birth certificate, his university thesis and other info relative to friends, school records, etc. We have no proof that he is not an immigrant which would prohibit him being president without his actual birth certificate. Decades of his life are under wraps as to public info. All we have is what he chose himself for his own political welfare to reveal in his books.
4. He promoted the installation of Kenya's present ruthless bloody Muslim dictator who has caused the death of hundreds including the burning of a Christian church with 50 people forced to stay in the burning church to die in the flames.
5. We all know by now about his Muslim, socialist and communist friends, associates and connections.
6. His ascendancy was accomplished by the millions which George Soros, socialist/Communist and would have been unlikely without his support.
7. His campaign has refused to reveal the sources of most of his millions of campaign funds which many of us believe came from Islamic oil money from abroad.
8. His church of 20 years was closely associated with Louis Farrakhan, the nation of Islam and black militarism/supremacy.
9. Just about all of America's prime enemies gleefully rejoiced at the Obama victory.
10. Islamic nations and peoples, i.e Islam regards Obama as a Muslim and they know what Islam teaches, i.e once a Muslim, born to a Muslim father, enrolled in a Muslim school. Why does he deny that?? (because he wanted to get elected) Only gullible non-Muslims think otherwise. Organizations such as Hamas would never endorse a bonafide Christian for anything, including local dog warden.
Kuresu, none of the above applied to the Democratic presidents which you named above.
Btw, my concern has nothing to do with race. I voted for Alan Keys a black when he ran and I send the larger share of my charity to help oppressed poor blacks in Africa, Haite and elsewhere as well as other oppressed races. I was jubilant over the appointment of black judge Clarence Thomas as well. He would have been a great president.

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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 341 (488130)
11-07-2008 9:01 PM


Talk Is Cheap For Obama
In response to comments by some here, talk is cheap, especially for this slick fellow. He says all things to all that by all means he may win. LOL on about 80% of his campaign rhetoric relative to taxes, energy, social issues, etc.

RAZD
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Message 54 of 341 (488132)
11-07-2008 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Huntard
11-07-2008 8:51 PM


Re: Predicts for Obamicts
You're both wrong
They'll do this at first. Once they eliminate every mom and pop operation, and they are the only ones who are making it, they'll lower the levels till it's crap, and raise the prices till it's all profit for them and none of the quality for us.
Well, first of all, they aren't really "mom and pop operations" they're pretty much run by criminals. They could try and pull that one off, but as soon as the product starts deteriorating, and the prices go up, be sure the "old" suppliers will pop up again and take over.
The gov't would not be interested in producing the grass, just profiting from it, so it would be legalized and regulated like tobacco and alcohol, with a tax to the gov't for their share.
The current big movers would become legal producers, like Jack Daniels, and competition would keep the product from going to (pardon the pun) pot.
Enjoy.

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onifre
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Message 55 of 341 (488134)
11-07-2008 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by RAZD
11-07-2008 9:05 PM


Re: Predicts for Obamicts
You're both wrong
I think we're both making assumptions. For us to be wrong there would have to be a right. Since no right way can be pointed to, even your idea is still an assumption of what the government would do.
The gov't would not be interested in producing the grass, just profiting from it, so it would be legalized and regulated like tobacco and alcohol, with a tax to the gov't for their share.
This may be ok for tabacco and alcohol but for pot it may be different since there is a current stigma about pot and those who use it. It may be legalized under the conditions that the THC levels are lowered.
The current big movers would become legal producers, like Jack Daniels, and competition would keep the product from going to (pardon the pun) pot.
You do realize that most of the big movers are from other contries, except for California, even though many Mexican pot growers are there too. Other than those the rest is mostly local growers, who probably wouldn't trust the government to begin with.
I doubt that this government will allow South American pot growers, who they are currently battling with, to take over growing on US soil. However, maybe they would be cool with it, I don't know. I just think with the current opinion of pot, if it would be legalized it would be with alot of public scrutiny, so much so that the government would have to regulate it and lower the THC levels.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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DrJones*
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Message 56 of 341 (488135)
11-07-2008 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 8:55 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
This mystery man has refused to make public his birth certificate
Lie.
We have no proof that he is not an immigrant which would prohibit him being president without his actual birth certificate.
But since we do have his actual birth certificate we have proof that you are a liar.
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

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Message 57 of 341 (488136)
11-07-2008 10:52 PM
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11-07-2008 9:44 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Dr Jones, your job now is to produce documentation that the actual birth certificate of Obama has been made public.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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DrJones*
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Message 58 of 341 (488138)
11-07-2008 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 10:52 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Not a problem
Page not found - FactCheck.org
and you'll also see the scan of his birth announcement. In short, you're wrong.

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Buzsaw
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Message 59 of 341 (488139)
11-07-2008 11:26 PM


Obama Odinga Kenya Relationship
Documentation of my item 4:
4. He promoted the installation of Kenya's present ruthless bloody Muslim dictator who has caused the death of hundreds including the burning of a Christian church with 50 people forced to stay in the burning church to die in the flames.
Obama promoted violence in Kenya by supporting Muslim ruthless dictator, Odinga, minority election looser's bid for power as follows: Odinga lost the election and resorted to violence with Obama's blessings.
There are other enlightening Utube segments relative to this connection and other accessible at the sites.
This is important relative to topic in that ruthless Odinga who represents Kenya's 10 to 15 percent minority will likely be coddled by president elect, Obama. It's also a chilling indication of what might have happened in the US had Obama lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0&NR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1P_P8lBCsE&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhYg6i7VfuE&NR=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-m1w75fGo&feature=related

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 341 (488140)
11-07-2008 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by DrJones*
11-07-2008 11:13 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Thanks DrJones. I will have to go with that but the question of the blacking out and later somehow being fixed still leaves a question mark in my mind. Were there officials sympathetic to Obama involved? Likely not, but then with all of the other mystery relative to this guy who knows for sure??

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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