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Rrhain
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Message 61 of 341 (488142)
11-08-2008 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Buzsaw
11-06-2008 8:16 AM


Buzsaw responds to me:
quote:
You mean like all of those apologies I get from counterparts when they are shown to be wrong?
When? You're going to need to be specific. For example, I was the one saying that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism and I was right.
quote:
How many apologies have you made over the years? I don't recall of any.
If you can give me an example of a political statement I made that turned out to be wrong, then I'll apologize. Could you give a specific example?
Iraq has been a disaster, just like I said it would. Same-sex marriage did not destroy society, just like I said it would (in fact, marriage is stronger in Massachussets than most everywhere else in the country.) The tax cuts for the wealthy destroyed our economy as I predicted.
Please give me something specific.
quote:
They're all on the record somewhere in the EvC archives.
Then it should be easy for you to find one.
Let me know when you do.
I'm interested in how you justify the Fairness Doctrine leading to First Amendment violations. Could you give us examples of such violations from the period when we did have it? Do you even know what the Fairness Doctrine says? No, you don't get to look it up. Off the top of your head: What is the Fairness Doctrine?
Hint: "Equal time" is not the correct answer. The Fairness Doctrine never said anything about "equal time" or anything remotely similar.
I'm especially interested in how you are going to justify claiming a regulation on the press will actually regulate religion.
I'm even more interested in why you think Obama supports the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine since he specifically campaigned against it:
"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters," press secretary Michael Ortiz said in an e-mail to B&C late Wednesday.
"He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible," Ortiz added. "That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets."
-- Obama Does Not Support Return of Fairness Doctrine, John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable, 6/25/2008

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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cavediver
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Message 62 of 341 (488143)
11-08-2008 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 11:26 PM


Re: Obama Odinga Kenya Relationship
Obama promoted violence in Kenya by supporting Muslim ruthless dictator, Odinga
Proof please. You will not find it, becasue Odinga is Christian. How do I know? My number one employee is Luo and his family (very Christian) knows the Odingas

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bluegenes
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Message 63 of 341 (488146)
11-08-2008 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 11:26 PM


A Buzsaw classic.
Buzsaw writes:
Obama promoted violence in Kenya by supporting Muslim ruthless dictator, Odinga, minority election looser's bid for power as follows: Odinga lost the election and resorted to violence with Obama's blessings.
There are other enlightening Utube segments relative to this connection and other accessible at the sites.
This is important relative to topic in that ruthless Odinga who represents Kenya's 10 to 15 percent minority will likely be coddled by president elect, Obama. It's also a chilling indication of what might have happened in the US had Obama lost.
Cavediver beat me to it. Odinga's a protestant Christian, like you Buz. Now tell us all about the bloody ruthlessness of this typical protestant Christian.

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Shield
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Message 64 of 341 (488147)
11-08-2008 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 8:55 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Lies and fearmongering.
Give us some sources for all your ridiculous claims.
IgnorantDoucheBag writes:
10. Islamic nations and peoples, i.e Islam regards Obama as a Muslim and they know what Islam teaches, i.e once a Muslim, born to a Muslim father, enrolled in a Muslim school. Why does he deny that?? (because he wanted to get elected) Only gullible non-Muslims think otherwise. Organizations such as Hamas would never endorse a bonafide Christian for anything, including local dog warden.
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Have you even bothered finding sources for these claims? Or was it just something you saw on YouTube and decided to go with it?
Edited by rbp, : No reason given.

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Rrhain
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Message 65 of 341 (488149)
11-08-2008 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
11-06-2008 7:24 PM


Buzsaw writes:
quote:
Speaking of empty suits, even Tom Brokaw who helped him along to victory has him pegged as some kind of a mysterious creature.
Tom Brokaw's a conservative tool. Of course he's going to say that Obama is mysterious. It's the Republican talking point. "Nobody knows anything about him!" even though he's written multiple books on his past and his policies.
During the second presidential debate, Brokaw routinely let McCain go over his allotted time and yet kept cutting Obama off.
From Brokaw's Meet the Press episode from 9/28:
In fairness to everybody here, I’m just going to end on one note. And that is that we continue to poll on who’s best equipped to be Commander in Chief, and John McCain continues to lead in that category despite the criticism from Barack Obama by a factor of 53 to 42 percent in our latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
It turns out that that was a complete fabrication. There was no such poll. Instead, Brokaw was referring to a poll taken right after the Republican convention.
Again, on Meet the Press, when McCain said, ""[S]mall-business people who have employees without health insurance, that he is going to fine them if they don't have, have the insurance policy that they want, that Senator Obama wants them to have," Brokaw didn't correct the error. As Obama said during the debate nearly two weeks before:
I exempt small businesses from having to pay into a kitty. But large businesses that can afford it, we've got a choice. Either they provide health insurance to their employees or somebody has to.
Right now, what happens is those employees get dumped into either the Medicaid system, which taxpayers pick up, or they're going to the emergency room for uncompensated care, which everybody picks up in their premiums.
The average family is paying an additional $900 a year in higher premiums because of the uninsured.
So here's what we do. We exempt small businesses. In fact, what, Joe, if you want to do the right thing with your employees and you want to provide them health insurance, we'll give you a 50-percent credit so that you will actually be able to afford it.
If you don't have health insurance or you want to buy into a group plan, you will be able to buy into the plan that I just described.
The idea that Brokaw is a liberal is indicative of someone who has fallen for the spin from Fox.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 66 of 341 (488151)
11-08-2008 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 11:39 PM


Buzsaw writes:
quote:
I will have to go with that but the question of the blacking out and later somehow being fixed still leaves a question mark in my mind.
In other words, "I know that I don't have any evidence to support my claim and that in direct contradiction to my claim, Obama's birth certificate has been produced, is authentic, and all the conspiracy theories are a bunch of bullshit...but I still won't admit I was wrong."
What does it take? What do you need to see in order for you to say you were wrong?
Are you seriously claiming that the federal investigation into Obama that happened when he announced his candidacy was incapable of determining his eligibility? The same investigation that was able to determine that McCain, who actually was born in a foreign country, was a natural-born US citizen was somehow hoodwinked when it came to Obama?
That's what you're trying to say?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Message 67 of 341 (488157)
11-08-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by cavediver
11-08-2008 4:53 AM


Re: Obama Odinga Kenya Relationship
cavediver writes:
Proof please. You will not find it, becasue Odinga is Christian. How do I know? My number one employee is Luo and his family (very Christian) knows the Odingas
I stand corrected. Obama and his buddy Odinga both claim to be Christians but Odinga sides with the 10% minority Muslum militant faction in Kenya who want to impose Shariah Islamic law in the nation.
While Kenyatta was pro-West and sided with America in the Cold War, OO was a Communist who was aided and supported by the Soviet Union.
That's why Raila went to school in East Germany (born in 1945, he graduated from Magdeburg University in 1970), and named his first-born son after Fidel Castro.
Thus it likely won't shock you to learn that Raila has now made a deal for support from the Soviets' successors as world-champion enemies of the West and democratic freedoms: Moslem fundamentalists.
The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya has posted on its website a photograph copy of a Memorandum of Understanding, dated and signed on August 29, 2007, between Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya.
It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila's election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions, listed a) through n) on page two. Read them all, and be sure you're sitting down. Here's a sample:
b) Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.
c) With immediate effect dismiss the Commissioner of Police who has allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists to oppress the Kenyan Muslim community.
g) Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters. [Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions."]
Again, read all of them, for others are just as bad or worse.
It may also not surprise you that Raila is not Moslem himself, but claims to be a practicing Anglican. Only a minority of Luo are Moslem (most are Christian). Kenya on the whole is Christian, with 80% of Kenyans either Protestant or Roman Catholic, while only 10% are Moslem.
And here is the biggest non-surprise: Raila Odinga has, in his own words, a "close personal friendship" with Barrack Hussein Obama Junior.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.../kenyas_killing_fields

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Rrhain
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Message 68 of 341 (488158)
11-08-2008 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Buzsaw
11-08-2008 9:12 AM


Buzsaw writes:
quote:
Obama and his buddy Odinga
Huh? Obama has no connection to Odinga. Indeed, Odinga has claimed to be Obama's cousing (as did Rajula a few months earlier), but it isn't true.
E-mail from misisonary describes Barack Obama's connection to political events in Kenya: False
So let's assume everything you say about Odinga is true. What does this have to do with Obama? He made a public appearance with him once in order to denounce Kenyan corruption and spoke to him over the phone once for about five minutes. This means they're bestest friends forever? Sheesh...what does that make Bush and Putin, given that Bush has said he looked into "Pooty-poot's" (Bush's term) eyes and could tell he was a good man.
So Bush is the antichrist, right?
The source of the claim is Celeste and Loren Davis, who claim that the five-sided stars on the American flag are satanic. We believe them why?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Fosdick 
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Message 69 of 341 (488163)
11-08-2008 12:03 PM


Infrastructure
I scanned this thread quickly for the word "infrastructure" but couldn't find it. Yet it is so important that we address its dire condition. I wonder if BHO will mirror FDR by mounting a dual attack on unemployment and our weakening infrastructure. Could there be ghosts of WPA and CCC lurking just around the corner?
”FTF

I can see Lower Slobovia from my house.

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Message 70 of 341 (488171)
11-08-2008 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 8:55 PM


Enemies rejoice
Buzsaw writes:
9. Just about all of America's prime enemies gleefully rejoiced at the Obama victory.
This should hardly be unexpected as one never knew what country Bush would aim at next. To get the full story however you should also note the countries that Bush didn't plan to blow up but still found reason to celebrate. Canadian news reported the election as if it was ours, or better stated: the American election meant more to us than our own. To the best of my knowledge we aren't an enemy, but I think the celebrations throughout our country was in part a sigh of relief. Obama is our hope for change in how the U.S. asserts its power on the rest of the world but also how the rest of the world views the U.S.
A black president is one sign of real change in the U.S. but most importantly for the current world opinion there is hope for a lessening of the hatred your country has earned since the attacks of 911. A chance for change in how your country asserts itself onto the rest of the world. I hope that Obama can bring back some of the greatness your country once had instead of the creeping feeling of a future global dictatorship.

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Message 71 of 341 (488172)
11-08-2008 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Vacate
11-08-2008 12:39 PM


Re: Enemies rejoice
I was going to answer that question in the same way, namely, that all our allies are rejoicing as well.
But then I remembered that in the Wingnut mind, every country is an enemy or potential enemy, whether its those jealous northern Canadians, those jealous Marxist Europeans, those jealous Islamic Arabs, or those jealous inscrutable Asians. We're surrounded by enemies, friends-of-the-moment, and ignorant, effete surrender monkeys.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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kuresu
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Message 72 of 341 (488173)
11-08-2008 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Vacate
11-08-2008 12:39 PM


Re: Enemies rejoice
Speaking of which, most of Europe is pretty estactic, and not just the leaders.
I was at an election night party with 15-20 exchange students in Uppsala and we stayed up long enough to watch the acceptance speech. Our party was but one of dozens.
Of course, since Sweden is socialist, that means its an enemy of the States.
Buz seems to belong to this funny school of international relations called Americn Unilateralism, which states that America can do fuck all it wants without regard for anybody else, and whoever disagrees should just roll over.
Empires have never been able to successfully act unilaterally--when they try they are cut down. The best way to ensure American dominance is to not exercise American dominance.

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Straggler
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Message 73 of 341 (488183)
11-08-2008 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 8:55 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
10. Islamic nations and peoples, i.e Islam regards Obama as a Muslim and they know what Islam teaches, i.e once a Muslim, born to a Muslim father, enrolled in a Muslim school. Why does he deny that?? (because he wanted to get elected) Only gullible non-Muslims think otherwise. Organizations such as Hamas would never endorse a bonafide Christian for anything, including local dog warden.
Does not the appointment of Rahm Emanuel, Jewish and very pro-Israel as well as a fellow Chicagoite, as chief of staff not suggest to you that things are not quite as black and white with Obama as you seem to think?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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kuresu
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Message 74 of 341 (488185)
11-08-2008 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
11-07-2008 8:55 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Organizations such as Hamas would never endorse a bonafide Christian for anything, including local dog warden.
So Al-Qaeda never endorsed McCain, but Obama, I guess.
Or wait:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.../21/AR2008102102477_pf.html
The Washington Post is not the "liberal rag" called the NYTimes. The WP reports that Al-Qaeda endorsed McCain.
I guess that means McCain is not a bona fide christian, although I can't blame you for coming to that consideration given that he called Falwell and ilk "agents of intolerance".
Though since you most likely supported McCain, would Al-Qaeda's endorsement make you question whether McCain is a christian and lead you to support Barr, perhaps?
Quit being silly Buz.

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subbie
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Message 75 of 341 (488187)
11-08-2008 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Straggler
11-08-2008 2:31 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
quote:
Does not the appointment of Rahm Emanuel, Jewish and very pro-Israel as well as a fellow Chicagoite, as chief of staff not suggest to you that things are not quite as black and white with Obama as you seem think?
Surely you don't mean to suggest that Buz would let his opinions be swayed by anything as inconsequential as facts, do you?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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