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fallacycop
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Message 1 of 129 (487388)
10-30-2008 6:59 PM


Make your prediction for the final electoral vote count for the presidential election here.
Whoever gets closest to the correct result earns bragging rights.
here is mine:
Obama: 356
McCain: 182

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fallacycop
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Message 26 of 129 (487493)
10-31-2008 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Taz
10-31-2008 11:19 PM


I Think sexism, racism, and ageism have had a much diminished importance in this election.

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Message 53 of 129 (487556)
11-01-2008 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Monk
11-01-2008 8:05 PM


Re: The Backlash Cometh
Closer than expected given media bias,
What media bias?

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Message 55 of 129 (487571)
11-02-2008 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Phat
11-02-2008 3:38 AM


Re: My Theory
I'll chalk you down for
Obama :312
McCain :226

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Message 61 of 129 (487628)
11-02-2008 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Monk
11-02-2008 9:07 AM


Re: The Backlash Cometh
No, You c'mon...You're claiming media bias. I would like to know
what media do you think is biased.

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fallacycop
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Message 62 of 129 (487630)
11-02-2008 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Modulous
11-02-2008 5:58 PM


Yeah, I'm shooting high.
Not as high as I did.

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fallacycop
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Message 67 of 129 (487653)
11-03-2008 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Monk
11-02-2008 10:18 PM


Re: The Backlash Cometh
MSNBC
No doubt. But lets not cherry pick. There are also media venues that are biased towards the right wing of the political spectrum (FOX comes to mind). The overall media though seems prety even handed to me.

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fallacycop
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Message 83 of 129 (487833)
11-05-2008 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by onifre
11-05-2008 10:22 AM


The power of the media bro, if it can make people stand in line over night for a cellphone, it can sway votes in any direction.
You give people too little credit for their ability to decide who to vote for on their own. The media did not sway this election. The people did.

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Message 84 of 129 (487835)
11-05-2008 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by bluegenes
11-05-2008 4:21 AM


Re: Bragging rights well earned!

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Message 88 of 129 (487860)
11-06-2008 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by onifre
11-06-2008 12:22 AM


You missunderstood me. I don't deny the power of propaganda. Otherwise, what would be the point of spendding millions of dollars in canpaining? What I flatly deny is the idea that the media (as a whole) was partial towards Obama in this election. if anything, you had people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others doing every thing they could to keep Obama from being elected. Show me one single media person who was as partial towards Obama as Hannity was partial against him.

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fallacycop
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Message 91 of 129 (487876)
11-06-2008 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by onifre
11-06-2008 9:05 AM


The media isn't always the tool used for persuasion. Bush stole the first election, flat out. The second election, IMO, the democrats didn't want to win so they put the boring John Kerry up to run against Bush. The democrats stood to gain alot by Bush continuing his stupidity, and they did gain what they wanted, which was control of the House and Senate. 2 years later they win the presidency giving them the majority on all 3 branches.
Man... What diabolically Machiavelical bunch the democrats are, uh?
May be the republicans chose to lose this election just so they can get everything back 20 years from now. Democrats, watch out!
However, since I believe there is only one party, with 2 sections to maintain the illusion of democracy so the people still feel they have a valued opinion, I believe the whole thing is controled. Mitt Romney was the bettr choice to run against Obama, the only problem with that is he would have beaten Obama, or had a much better chance. So, they put McCain, the lesser of the 2. But, if you followed the polls during the middle of the campaign McCain was actually gain popularity, and was ahead on the polls, how do you fuck his whole campaign up? Sarah Palin. She guaranteed the lost to Republicans. Obama wins, the US is no longer racist, the middle east will start to like us better, things calm down and globalization can begin.
This is all my skeptical opinion of course so feel free to ignore me completely- lol.
Skeptical? I think the word you're looking for is "cynical".
Edited by fallacycop, : typo

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fallacycop
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Message 106 of 129 (488240)
11-08-2008 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by onifre
11-08-2008 12:10 PM


Sory to brake it to you onfire (I like that better then onifre), but you make no sense.
Just look at that frase
Al Gore would have done things differently, I agree, but Gore didn't win...but technically he did win, he just had it taken away from him. Why, because he wasn't supposed to win, he wasn't the right man to fulfil the agenda they had planed. The person that they wanted was taking control no matter how it needed to happen.
Now tell me, Who are they? would that be all the polititians? Would Al Gore himself also be part ot the "they" that had planned to have him lose the election?
Do you really believe that there is only one party and that they decide before hand who the next POTUS will be and than manipulate the people into electing him (or her) one way or another?
Edited by fallacycop, : fix it

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fallacycop
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Message 108 of 129 (488298)
11-09-2008 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by onifre
11-09-2008 3:24 AM


Name one media market that isn't run by big business?
Youtube?

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fallacycop
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Message 124 of 129 (488495)
11-12-2008 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Rrhain
11-11-2008 11:54 PM


Note: The Republican primary system is proportional representation. That's why McCain was able to stay in it. Even though he wasn't winning, he was still racking up votes. The Democratic primaries are winner-take-all.
You got that exactly wrong. The Democrat primaries are the ones that are (almost) proportional while the Republican primaries are (with a few exceptions) winer take all. McCain won because he won more of the larger states (most importantly Florida and California). That's why the Democratic primary went on much longer before a winer finally emerged. By the way, Obama did it by wining most of the small states while keeping it close in large states and minimizing Clinton's advantage there. The Republicans prety much ignored the small states (except for the ones with early primaries). That is evidence that (yes indeed) the winer-takes-all system actually favors large states.

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Message 125 of 129 (488496)
11-12-2008 1:32 AM
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11-11-2008 11:54 PM


double post
Edited by fallacycop, : removing double post

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