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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Make your prediction for the final electoral vote count for the presidential election here.
Whoever gets closest to the correct result earns bragging rights. here is mine:Obama: 356 McCain: 182
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
I Think sexism, racism, and ageism have had a much diminished importance in this election.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Closer than expected given media bias,
What media bias?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
I'll chalk you down for
Obama :312McCain :226
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
No, You c'mon...You're claiming media bias. I would like to know
what media do you think is biased.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Yeah, I'm shooting high.
Not as high as I did.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
MSNBC
No doubt. But lets not cherry pick. There are also media venues that are biased towards the right wing of the political spectrum (FOX comes to mind). The overall media though seems prety even handed to me.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
The power of the media bro, if it can make people stand in line over night for a cellphone, it can sway votes in any direction.
You give people too little credit for their ability to decide who to vote for on their own. The media did not sway this election. The people did.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Can I borrow your crystal ball, mate?
FiveThirtyEight | FiveThirtyEight uses statistical analysis hard numbers to tell compelling stories about politics, sports, science, economics and culture.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
You missunderstood me. I don't deny the power of propaganda. Otherwise, what would be the point of spendding millions of dollars in canpaining? What I flatly deny is the idea that the media (as a whole) was partial towards Obama in this election. if anything, you had people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others doing every thing they could to keep Obama from being elected. Show me one single media person who was as partial towards Obama as Hannity was partial against him.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
The media isn't always the tool used for persuasion. Bush stole the first election, flat out. The second election, IMO, the democrats didn't want to win so they put the boring John Kerry up to run against Bush. The democrats stood to gain alot by Bush continuing his stupidity, and they did gain what they wanted, which was control of the House and Senate. 2 years later they win the presidency giving them the majority on all 3 branches.
Man... What diabolically Machiavelical bunch the democrats are, uh?May be the republicans chose to lose this election just so they can get everything back 20 years from now. Democrats, watch out! However, since I believe there is only one party, with 2 sections to maintain the illusion of democracy so the people still feel they have a valued opinion, I believe the whole thing is controled. Mitt Romney was the bettr choice to run against Obama, the only problem with that is he would have beaten Obama, or had a much better chance. So, they put McCain, the lesser of the 2. But, if you followed the polls during the middle of the campaign McCain was actually gain popularity, and was ahead on the polls, how do you fuck his whole campaign up? Sarah Palin. She guaranteed the lost to Republicans. Obama wins, the US is no longer racist, the middle east will start to like us better, things calm down and globalization can begin.
Skeptical? I think the word you're looking for is "cynical". This is all my skeptical opinion of course so feel free to ignore me completely- lol. Edited by fallacycop, : typo
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Sory to brake it to you onfire (I like that better then onifre), but you make no sense.
Just look at that frase
Al Gore would have done things differently, I agree, but Gore didn't win...but technically he did win, he just had it taken away from him. Why, because he wasn't supposed to win, he wasn't the right man to fulfil the agenda they had planed. The person that they wanted was taking control no matter how it needed to happen.
Now tell me, Who are they? would that be all the polititians? Would Al Gore himself also be part ot the "they" that had planned to have him lose the election? Do you really believe that there is only one party and that they decide before hand who the next POTUS will be and than manipulate the people into electing him (or her) one way or another? Edited by fallacycop, : fix it
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Name one media market that isn't run by big business?
Youtube?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Note: The Republican primary system is proportional representation. That's why McCain was able to stay in it. Even though he wasn't winning, he was still racking up votes. The Democratic primaries are winner-take-all.
You got that exactly wrong. The Democrat primaries are the ones that are (almost) proportional while the Republican primaries are (with a few exceptions) winer take all. McCain won because he won more of the larger states (most importantly Florida and California). That's why the Democratic primary went on much longer before a winer finally emerged. By the way, Obama did it by wining most of the small states while keeping it close in large states and minimizing Clinton's advantage there. The Republicans prety much ignored the small states (except for the ones with early primaries). That is evidence that (yes indeed) the winer-takes-all system actually favors large states.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5521 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
double post
Edited by fallacycop, : removing double post
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