Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 66 (9164 total)
7 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,465 Year: 3,722/9,624 Month: 593/974 Week: 206/276 Day: 46/34 Hour: 2/6


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Is there a border dividing life from non-life?
DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3123 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 131 of 132 (488913)
11-19-2008 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by AlphaOmegakid
09-14-2008 6:20 PM


Re: Resurrection of topic due to interest
AlphaOmegakid writes:
More fallacies doku. This is a total strawman argument. Yes bood cells die all the time. Blood cells are organisms. And like all organisms, they die. I guess you don't know the difference between a multicellular organism and a single celled organism.
Blood cells are not living organisms and they are not single celled organisms. They are biological components of a larger organism the that serve specific functions for that organism. Red blood cells have no nucleus and thus no DNA. They cannot reproduce and after they leave the body of their host they begin to decompose (due to their lack of ability to metabolize). That is why cryogenically preserved blood only lasts a couple of months before it has to be discarded. However individual blood cells death does not equate to an organisms death unless it is in large quantities as the result of disease, etc. The bone marrow in our bodies produce new red blood cells at the rate of millions per second and these blood cells live for approximately 4-5 months before decomposing back into the blood stream. In fact, none of the cells in our bodies are more than 10 years old at any point in our lives.
Thus doku is correct to say that cellular death does not necessarily equate to an organisms death.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 127 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 09-14-2008 6:20 PM AlphaOmegakid has not replied

  
DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3123 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 132 of 132 (488974)
11-20-2008 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Fosdick
11-11-2008 7:32 PM


Fosdick writes:
The border in question may not be a physical or a chemical one. Instead, it may be an informational one. You could go to another planet with all the physical and chemical attributes of Earth, but if there were no genetic information there would be no life. Life didn't start until the genes got here. And that's border in question, IMO.
But then the question become could this genetic information have chemically evolved naturally in the right conditions (i.e. low oxygen levels in early Earth atmosphere, etc) from naturally present organic compounds & molecules found in that environment. Or not. So again the scenario you pose does not elimate the question of what is life and what is not-life. IMHO.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 130 by Fosdick, posted 11-11-2008 7:32 PM Fosdick has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024