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Author Topic:   Have evolutionists documented the formation of NEW genetic material? (Lost Thread)
Coyote
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Message 5 of 19 (489290)
11-25-2008 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by obvious Child
11-25-2008 9:49 PM


The broader question
How do you tell the difference between new genetic material and existing genetic material being modified and working together with other genes in new found ways? Especially in organisms that are extinct.
What is the importance of "new genetic material" anyway. If there are new functions, what is the difference whether the genetic material is new or just changed.
Does this go back to the creationist belief that humans are devolving since what they call the curse, so they are unwilling to accept new genetic material as it counters that belief?
If this is not the case, can anyone explain what the problem is with "new genetic material?"

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Coyote
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Message 10 of 19 (489330)
11-26-2008 10:29 AM
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11-26-2008 1:00 AM


Re: The broader question
Coyote writes:
What is the importance of "new genetic material" anyway. If there are new functions, what is the difference whether the genetic material is new or just changed.
If there are new functions then evolution works. The problem is how do you discern whether new functionality has been added.
That's easy. And that's not the question. The question is why so many creationists insist on "new genetic material" rather than "new functionality." It appears to me to be a strawman.
Consider a computer program with it's various methods. You can run the program without ever using one or more of the methods. If you have functions that were not originally programmed then you have new information and macroevolution.
If you have realisation of existing functions then it's just adapation, precoded.
Adaptation? Just adaptation? What do you think evolution is? Evolution is a lot of little adaptations that add up over time.
I think one problem is that creationists are looking for a bird to give birth to (or hatch) a reptile or something equally silly. I've seen them write that the individual who has the first example of a mutation would have no one to mate with. This is both silly and false, as the changes are gradual, not drastic as some creationists seem to expect.
The problem for evolutionists, is to show how code can be inserted into the genome. Code cannot be built piecewise, it has to be intelligently conceived and inserted as an entire new function.
Not likely.
Complete and utter nonsense. There is simply no scientific evidence of "intelligently conceived and inserted." This "intelligent" business is pure religion.

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Message 16 of 19 (490049)
12-01-2008 10:06 PM


New genetic material
The thread title involves new genetic material. I posted a thread dealing with an article with information on that very subject. The title is Recipes for life: How genes evolve, and the article it discusses is at NewScientist.
Given this, and a number of other scientific studies, the question of new genetic materials has been answered.

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