Expectations For The New Obama Democrat Government

AIG, I was four years in the US Air Force back in the early 1950s. Healthcare was a benefit which one signed onto when risking one's life for the common defense. It was in the package. My basic traing monthly checks were $78 back then and even counting health benefits, promotions being hard to come by back then, we earned every bit of what was in the deal. It was not socialized medicine any more than a health benefit package in government or private package today.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Yeah, those welfare sucking low lifes! Let's all get drunk and go out and kick the crap out of 'em!Buz, at your age you ought to read this article that DA posted in Message 217. For the sake of your heath and your mental longevity, old man, maybe you ought to go out and get hold of some weed. I saw a couple of potheads on the street the other day. They attacked an old lady, beat her up and took her purse, then they smashed in the windows of the hardware store and stomped a cat. Dangerous fuckers!”FTF

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I can see Lower Slobovia from my house.

A. Not all liberals are pot smokers.
B. Smoking marajuana is not illegal in all states i.e. medical use in California (whether or not you agree this is irrelevant)
C. There are many independent non-liberals i.e. liberatarians who advocate the legalization of marijuana.
D. I am sure there have been many conservative republicans who have smoked marijuana earlier in their youth.I am not saying this makes it right to go against the law if your state makes it illegal. I am just making the point that being a liberal does not mean your an anarchist.And no I have not nor will ever smoke marajuana just as I am not or will be a habitual tobacco smoker (though I have smoked an occasional cigar). That is my personal perogative. BTW, I am not a liberal, I am an independent and a populist. I agree unless the laws are unjust, such as the discremenatory laws of the pre-1960's in the US. No disagreement here. My Dad was AF for 21 years, so I have dual heritage. Good to here another military voice on this board despite our political differences.I heard this one the other day, thought you would have a laugh:An Air Force officer and a Navy officer go into a bathroom. They both urinate, and the Navy guy starts to walk out. The Air Force guy says, “You know, in the Air Force, they teach us to wash our hands after taking a piss.” The Navy guy says, “In the Navy, they teach us not to piss on our hands.” So the Germans and Dutch who hid their Jewish friends in their houses (i.e. Ann Franke, etc) and lied to the Nazi's about hiding Jews were wrong to do this? Sorry that was a typo I meant to say "What about war in general?"
Of course I believe we have the inherent right of self defense and collective self defense of our allies or I would not be in the Navy. Of course I believe WWII was justifiable. However, every war is not.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Hi Buz, Man, you must be the coolest guy in the nursing home with this stuff. If you could just throw in the "N" word to that little tirad, huh? Yeah, the same way homo-sexuality was dealt with, people hide from society and did it behind closed doors and lied to everyone. Please old man, there were plenty of drugs used by your generation and the one's after yours. What you have a problem with is coming to terms with the fact that a lot of people do it, you're having a problem with the reality of the situation. You prefer it kept in the "closet" so to speak, right? If you're old then you should know history man. Middle Easterners and Asians have been using drugs for thousands of years, if you know some history you can remember a time when they were not poor nations, in fact they were the wealthiest nations of their times. It can also be argued that they aren't so third world anymore.See here,
http://www.noblemind.com/toptenlists/Wealthiest_Countries
3 of the top 10 countries are in areas "considered" third wold.

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From article:
#3. Equatorial Guinea $50,200 (2005 est)
#4. United Arab Emirates $45,200 (2005 est)
#9. Guernsey $40,000 (2003 est)

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Also note that we(the US) are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and also have one of the highest drug addiction rates, so wealth doesn't mean anything. To quote Bill Hicks, "Isn't it sad that there's a war on drugs and the people on drugs are winning?" Right, like the rational and never dangerous and non-problematic alcoholics that LEGALLY get wasted and drive the highways throughout our great country?Yeah, good ole alcohol, that stuff NEVER causes any problems. I would be surprised if he still uses it, he seems too up tight.But, I doubt he can make it legal. Perhaps just for medicinal purposes but not totally legal.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

And yet, here in the Netherlands, where ANYONE can get and use pot "legally" (technically it's illegal, but the government does not prosecute the sale and use of it), there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with our society, it's safe here and most people have decent jobs and even families. Kinda undercuts your claims, doesn't it?

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I hunt for the truth

It doesn't, because you (and I) are europeans. And everybody knows europeans are screwed up. I mean, come on, the name eur-o-pean? Why do you have to be peeing? Americans, on the other hand, A-may-I-can? are natural problem solvers, and the only thing that screws us up is if we prevent our own people from canning.This logic is also why germans are so gruff, why italians talk a lot, why brits are shits, the irish spoiling for fights, the swedes so cold, and the danes impossible to understand (no, seriously. Listen to them sometime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk).And since you're in the netherlands, you're obviously in hell or something since you sit lower than anybody else, so you're doubly messed up.

Funny post Kuresu, one thing though. While this is true in a general sense, I live in the province of Limburg, which is the highest province we have. In fact there are parts of Belgium that are lower then my province. So, it couldn't be that bad, could it?

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I hunt for the truth

I can't wait to tell this to a dutch student I know here at Uppsala. I daresay not.Okay, perhaps we should move back to the topic. Seems that Obama is actually going to keep Gates as secretary of defense. what doom does this spell for the US, oh great prophet Buz? Or is Obama now a republican in sheep's skin?

Obama is not a republican, this move obviously exposes Gates as a double secret stealth muslim who has weaseled his way into the job in order to hand over the US and Israel to the muslim hordes.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

It seems like this is getting all the netroots and progressive outlets all prickled, in addition to some of Obama's other picks. What I worry about a little bit is that progressives (and I consider myself one) are already starting to bitch that Obama isn't liberal enough and that if he doesn't use his initial political capital on liberal social issues then he is not a "real" progressive president.I voted for Obama because he is also a pragmatist and a student of history. Bill Clinton took up the issue of Don't Ask Don't Tell right away and he got eviscerated for it.Gates was asked to stay to provide continuity and to not cause drama over issues that are less important.What might we loose if he went right away and raised an ideological fight over something like DOMA or FOCA? Would we not get a progressive tax? Would we not get Employee Free Choice? Would we not have a New New Deal? Would we miss our opportunity to build a green manufacturing sector of our economy?Those are the important things that need to happen first and then after 2010 when we knock off a few more Republicans out of the Senate we can get to the other things without having to deal with the inconvienence of fillibusters. The progressive economic policies need to be implemented immediatly so that their effects can be felt before the 2012 election. We will have way too many Democratic congress seats to defend by then and Republicans will still use fearmongering to bring out the worst in people so we cannot take an Obama 8-year term for granted. We have to fight for it every single day even now.

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If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

Kuresu, you be a foreigner? That figures. I hear Boulder, Co and the Netherlands have a lot of notorious radical commonality.Perhaps Obama be good for either of your countries, fitting right in, pot and all. But for Americanism kind of Americans, na.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Obama's lack of qualification and experience to be President behooves him to keep the military from mutiny and have qualified holdovers stay to keep the government going and to placate roughly 50% of us Americans who believe Obama is bad for America.As I've said all along he's very intelligent and knows how to deceive. He will make the prominent heads look good to about everyone but will undermine the government with his types in the courts, in the Pentagon and in the underlying government bureacracies.(I'm visiting relatives and don't have spell check, so until I get to my own computer, bear with my spelling. )

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

And over 67% of Americans disaproved of President Bush's performance. Your point?And no, nobody in the military that I am aware of are thinking about commiting mutiny. I would say that from my perspective roughly about half the people in the Navy I know voted for McCain and the other half voted for Obama.The reason Gates is being kept in office is due to security reasons. You never want to change horses midstream. Besides Gates is still cleaning up the mess that Rumsfield made.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Are you actually suggesting that the US military has traitors in it that would rebel against the govenrment? Why do have such comtempt for the people who protect you? Why do you hate America?

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

Swedish and US citizenship. Although I'm a natural born US citizen and grew up in conservative SW VA (Wise is the only county to vote democrat, and that's thanks to strong ties with coal and labor; the other coal mining has basically shut down, depressing the region).And while Boulder the city maybe a liberal hotbed, the university president is a republican (and one a lot of people don't like because of his political past; our geology building is named for him as well). Further, the political science arm, at least as far as international relations is concerned, is conservative compared to the rest of the university (I know this because I'm an international relations major). The other thing to keep in mind is that Colorado, outside of Denver and Boulder, is still conservative and a lot of CU students hail from those regions. So the univeristy's character is far more centrist than people realize.For that matter, I'm probably more centrist than you might realize.