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Author Topic:   What is the soul?
Peg
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Message 156 of 165 (489064)
11-22-2008 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by DeclinetoState
03-16-2006 1:23 PM


Re: Soul and the knowledge of good and evil
DeclinetoState wrote: "Before they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then, did Adam and Eve not have souls?
Is the soul the same thing as conscience? "
most notable is the genesis account (Gen2.7) that says "God blew into his nostrils the 'breath of life' (ru”ach/spirit), and the man 'came to be a living 'soul' (ne”phesh/life)
other biblical evidence of what the writers had in mind when they spoke of the soul are found in (2Kings 7:7) “The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal.” (Proverbs 12:10) “The Son of man came ... to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.” (Matthew 20:28) “He came quite near to death, exposing his soul to danger.” (Philippians 2:30) In each case, the word “soul” means “life.”
simply put...we are souls, we dont have them ... i find this a comforting thought, no hellish afterlife to worry about :-)

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Peg
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Message 159 of 165 (489302)
11-26-2008 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by jaywill
11-25-2008 9:01 AM


Re: Soul and the knowledge of good and evil
i dont know mate
it all comes back to the original meaning of that word doesnt it?
if you were living in the hebrew's days, and you spoke of the 'soul', the likely hood is that you were talking about your own life

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Peg
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Message 162 of 165 (489484)
11-27-2008 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by jaywill
11-26-2008 7:14 PM


Re: Soul and the knowledge of good and evil
again we are assuming that our english translation of their language is correct
You may recall the Apostle tell a crowd that King David had not ascended to any heavenly realm but, just as Jesus received a resurrection, so King David was in his grave awaiting a resurrection...
Acts 2:29 writes:
“Men, brothers, it is allowable to speak with freeness of speech to YOU concerning the family head David, that he both deceased and was buried and his tomb is among us to this day....He saw beforehand and spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in Ha”des nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses. ... Actually David did not ascend to the heavens.” (Acts 2:1-34)
According to Peter’s words, David’s resurrection is yet future.
I agree that the spirit never dies, for the scriptures say that the spirit returns to God and stays there
Luke 20 :34 writes:
Jesus said to them: “...those who have been counted worthy of gaining... the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.
36In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection.
37But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed, in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah ”the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’
38He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.”
Jesus he was granted a resurrection after 3 days.
but King David was still awaiting a resurrection...as was Abraham, Issac and Jacob... and as were the 'great crowd of witnesses' spoken of in Hebrews Chptr 11:39 states "...39And yet all these, although they had witness borne to them through their faith, did not get the [fulfillment of the] promise"
So, sure, they are all living in the sense that they are alive in Gods memory, in that way, we never die... but their mortal bodies and minds have died and they are awaiting a resurrection from the dead.
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Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 164 of 165 (489613)
11-28-2008 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by jaywill
11-28-2008 3:27 PM


Re: Soul and the knowledge of good and evil
jaywill writes:
"Consult a DEPARTED spirit for me, and bring up to me the one whom I tell you." (1 Samuel 28:8 my emphasis)
Then a witch of Indor was deceived by Saul to bring up the departed soul of the prophet Samuel. I do not believe that these witches were able to actually do this thing. But it seems that in this instance God permitted it. The spirit of Samuel came up from Sheol.
wasnt witchcraft and sorcery against Gods law in the bible...
Moses sternly and repeatedly warned Israel not to take up these divination practices of the other nations, saying: “There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead.
do you really believe that God would have approved of this?
and why do you think that it was a condemned practice in the law?
Why would God not want his people to contact the 'dead'?
If the dead were still alive in some other way, then the scripture here in Eccl is false...
Eccle 9:5 "5For the living are conscious that they will die; but
as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.
but if this scripture is true, then perhaps they were not really contacting the dead, but rather like Eve in the garden of eden, they were talking to Satan who was posing as somebody else
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