COSMOLOGY

jchardy, When Hubble first discovered the redshift anomoly he knew this supported that the earth was in the center of the universe. However Hubbles an agnostic could not accept this due it supported the creationists big bang theory. So Hubble created a different big bang senerio explanation that every point in the universe is the center to explain the stretching of the heavens. Robert Gentry discusses the redshift an the stretching of the heavens in the discussion of the Center.Setterfield explains how in the lab using water plasmas they can duplicate what you see happening in the universe on a small scale and explains how today water plasmas in the lab using water when cooled form all the elements suddenly.enjoy,jf++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=Robert Gentry Questions the Hubble Redshift in the discussion of the Center of the Universe.Center of the UniverseQuality Download Speed
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So-So 24K 24K 24KVideo Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=Stretching the Heavens:
A New Cosmology
by Barry SetterfieldVideo:Broadband-only (Free) ~233 MBStretching the Heavens: A New CosmologyEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

DevilsAdvocate, Just watch the video to find the scientists name in respect to what sounds like tranmutation of the elements from a water plasma. You do understand the nobel prize winner Corentin Louis Kervran proving transmutation of potassium into calcium with low amounts of energy.Enjoy,jf Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

subbie, After you watch the discussion video ask yourself the question is the earth the center of the universe or is every point the center of the universe. Its a known fact that Hubble was an agnostic. right?Enjoy,jfEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

The video explains Hubbles willful ignorance where the facts support the earth is the center by the redshift.P.S. Just watch the entire video then ask yourself the question if you believe the earth is the center of the universe or every point the center of the universe in respect to the stretching out of the heavens.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

When you watch the video watch for where Gentry quotes Stephen Hawkins agreeing that the earth could be the center of the universe.

It appears there are two big bang theories. right? One says the heavens were created from a common center where galaxies were stretched outward and the other where the heavens were created where the galaxies are not moving but nothing is expanding between the galaxies. right?P.S. Watch the videos and then decide which you believe to be true.Enjoy,jfEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Just watch the videos otherwise your going to believe the garbage that the universe is expanding not inflating. Is the earth the center or is every point the center of the universe. This is the key point Gentry is bringing to the table.Barry Setterfields explaining the universe with water plasmas simulations should be of great interest if your interested in how elements can be produced suddenly in the lab and be extraploted out to explain how the galaxies formed suddenly.He explains this within his video even naming the scientists doing this and pictures of plasmas mimicing the filaments seen when viewing the universe. Its kind of interesting he talks about stars not answering how your elements formed where plasmas cooling in the lab is evidence that it all happened suddenly. right?P.S. Hubble was an agnostic so he created a myth that physics teach and that is the expansion and that the universe is not inflating meaning if you went a billion light years away from earth you would see all light redshifting as if you were in the center of the universe. Gentry disagree's and Hubble and Hawkins too agree its possible that you would not see all light redshifting if you travelled a billion light years from earth if the earth is in the center of the universe. That light would be redshifting in all directions a billion light years from earth is the myth that Hubble created due he being an agnostic refused to accept the redshift as evidence the earth and the milkey way is in the very center of the universe as the christian big bangers were saying all the time.The evidence to the Christians is Hubbles redshift confirms the christian big bang theory and in no way confirms Hubbles agnostic big bang. Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

The point of Gentry's video was once you travel out of the center blue shifting of light will occur. right? Hubbles myth is that light will not blue shift anywhere in the universe as all points in the universe is the center. Its like that garbage you hear that the galaxies are not moving only the space between them expanding nonsense all drivel from Hubbles Myth that all points are the center instead of the earth being in the center. Interesting video non the less.whatever,jf Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Its quite interesting that the evidence is the earth is the center of the universe !!!!!!!+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Thursday, November 8, 2007
The Discovery That Dare Not Speak Its Name Has been MadeSteven Hawking, arguably the world’s greatest living astrophysicist, called it “the discovery of the millennium, if not all time.” Hawking was referring to the anisotropies of the Universe. Anisotropies are variations or inhomogeneities in a structure. The anisotropies referred to here are the temperature variations in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation distributed across the Universe.This discovery has been so disturbing to some scientists that it has been most inappropriately labeled “The Axis of Evil.” Since this discovery was first made in 2003, many scientists have been trying to disprove it. Researchers have been studying the CMB since 1965 when it was first found to exist. Through the years, more sensitive instruments have been developed which have allowed ever more accurate maps of the CMB to be drawn. The best known of these were the 1992 COBE and the 2003 WMAP satellite-based probes. The initial shock came when one alignment was discovered, but as work has progressed, instead of going away, at least three more of these “Cosmic Alignments” between the CMB and the Solar System have been uncovered.The Copernican Principle was offered as a counter to the widely asserted medieval beliefs that the Earth was at the center of the Universe, that man was in an exalted place, and that God’s existence was proved by these facts.This of course is all quite interesting, but a shocking new set of findings has emerged from the study of the CMB. It has been discovered that the CMB, which pervades the entire Universe, is aligned to The Solar System. This means that, the original creation event, which produced all of space, time, matter, and energy, was precisely fine tuned so that it is aligned with the location and direction of motion of Solar System in which we live.As similar “coincidences” from every field of science are piling to the sky for all to see, the only ones who will not see are those who refuse to see.Science On Your SideEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Stephen Hawkins quote should be of interest since your all interested in the universe. All the CMB evidence that the earth is the center and that Hawkins himself calls it perhaps the greatest scientific discovery of all time and you go flaky.Prove Stephen Hawkins wrong lots of scientists are trying but interesting not suceeding, right? etc...Are you conceeding then that the creationists big bang of the known Cosmos now trumps the one Hubble proposed? That Robert Gentry message in the center is right that the earth is the center by your attacking the messangers like Stephen Hawkins. I personally thought Stephen Hawkins was knowledgeable in this stuff. Now your calling him a quack, interesting?, etc... and the message that he called perhaps the greatest discovery, etc...P.S. I think you might be placing Hawkins in the axis of evil. right? along with all them creationists that too see the earth in the center of the universe, right? etc...Until you can prove Stephen Hawkins discovery does not link the earth to the center and us a special spot in the universe the Creationist big bang trumps Hubbles big bang theory that shifted the center, right?, etc...Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Its sure sounds too me that Stephen Hawkins believes the cosmic pattern and alignment is the greatest discovery of the millennium or perhaps all time. right?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Why is the solar system cosmically aligned?
The solar system seems to line up with the largest cosmic features. Is this mere coincidence or a signpost to deeper insights?
By Dragan Hutererhttp://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=i&id=450Cosmic Alignment
With the Cosmic Mind and the Cosmic Pattern
By C. CountessInterestingly enough, there has been a recent growing interest in a “Cosmic Alignment," that coincides with this one and is scheduled to reach its peak (Dec 21 2012) ushering in great change, for better or worse, depending on ones point of viewAlso, the “2006 Nobel Prize in Physics”, was awarded to two physicist for their discovery of a “Cosmic Pattern and Alignment”. World renown physicist "Stephen Hawking" called it, “perhaps the greatest discovery of the millennium or perhaps all time”.iUniverse

jchardy,You never watched Robert Gentries the center video and the discussion of the the video nor Barry Settlefield video!!!!!!! right?P.S. Every point the center of the universe is a myth made up to explain the redshift. Watch the video's then decide.jf

DevilsAdvocate,Thanks for warning me about the book however it used the same quote as the creationists website. right? I'd have to get a subscription to read that article in astronomy that from the surface information sounds like multipole vectors present in the CMB is whats aligning the universe to the earth. right?P.S. I'm planning on getting a subscription instead to Prophecy in the News which is bringing prophecies into the alignments of the heavens, etc...Just this Sunday november 30 or is Dec 1st 2008 Jupiter and Venus has a conjunction with the earth. right? Is this one of them signs? That Christians are commanded to watch is it like the wisemen that followed the alignment of the stars of the heavens to Bethlehem.The book Witness of the Stars is available at Prophecy in the news, etc...If you click on Friday they talk about the meteor that just hit Canada.Witness Of The Stars
Book by E. W. Bullingerhttp://www.prophecyinthenews.com/The Jupiter Venus conjunction coming this Sunday Monday, etc...http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/forums/t/36508.aspxjfEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

So we agree the christian big bang was already out there before Hubble put his garbage version out there. right?

I think your looking at it all wrong look at it more like all light is redshifting from us thus your in the center. If light was blue shifting you would not be in the center. right?
If any of you want to understand the signs in the heavens which is about God talking to us by the motions of the stars just check it out.I was just trying to make one point that the earth is in the center, that Hubble knew this. Now that the point has been made I have nothing else to say for jchardy sake. bye...Message 7 on this thread for links to Gentry's video redshift discussion, and Setterfields video that too questions redshift, etc...whatever,jf
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