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Anything Divine in the Bible?

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anglagard
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Message 36 of 406 (489961)
12-01-2008 12:42 AM 		Reply to: Message 30 by Peg
11-30-2008 11:05 PM

Re: read again
Peg writes:
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sadly our understanding of 'slave' comes from that dreadful history of the slave trade... but for many ancient people, being a slave was not as terrible as it was for the black africans in america
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Perhaps you should look into the physical condition of Roman slaves as preserved in Pompeii.
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Also, just use your God-given mind. There is a difference between a slave from a conquered territory and an indentured servant from the same 'tribe.' In history does an actual slave always have the right to ward off unwanted sexual advances from the owner? Do they have the right to legal protection? Do they have the right to not be physically abused? Not even in the Bible.
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Now outside of the Bible, slaves did have rights. Such as the right to be thrown into the fires of the mouth of Baal or have their heart sliced out at the top of some temple, be it Aztec, Mayan, or even Hindu, when the foreign conquest business was less than fruitful.
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Slavery as a good? Only in the mindlessness of something as awful as the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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anglagard
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Message 77 of 406 (490489)
12-05-2008 2:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 72 by Buzsaw
12-04-2008 6:58 PM

Read For Once Period
Buzsaw writes:
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You mean like last century when secularist anti Biblical governments which slaughtered over a hundred million of their own citizens including babes and like pagan jungle cultures which ate their neighbors and their kids as well as others which sacrificed children in fires?
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Or perhaps you have in mind so many anti Biblical cultures today like India (Hindu), Buddhist cultures, Islamic nations and communist nations such as China, Viet Nam etc where Christian families are killed and tortured and others whose homes and churches are burned.
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Let's go back a century before, to the 18th century when China had the Christian Taipeng Rebellion which according to the lowest estimate killed the fifth largest amount of people in history and the highest estimate the most people in the entire history of wars, civil disturbances, and disaster.
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I realize that you appear to desire to exceed this number with apparent calls to holy war against all non-fundamentalist Christians, or in other words, well over 95% of the world's population as your false gospel of hate and fear dictates. But once again, sorry Buz, you just don't have the personal charm of Hong Xiuquan when it comes to speaking for god.
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{ABE} This is what happens when people read into the Bible only their own hate and fear (and divinity-sized ego) while rejecting the clear message of Jesus as related in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
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The message of peace, forgiveness, and love thy neighbor which so many Christians reject.
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Like jar, I will silently pray for you Buz, so that you may see the real message of Jesus, or at least the one that the vast majority of people take from the Gospels when they take the Gospels seriously.{/ABE}
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Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.
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Edited by anglagard, : forgot signature, if it is relevant anywhere, it is most relevant here.
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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anglagard
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Message 145 of 406 (490668)
12-07-2008 3:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 143 by Buzsaw
12-07-2008 12:24 AM

Re: The golden rule
Buzsaw writes:
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But, of course, you're referring to the Indian Wars where there were numerous casualties on both sides.
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Then too, it was not Biblical Christians who did the torturing such as live scalping and live disembowelment of their prisoners including women and children after they were often forced through a gauntlet of beatings and floggings.
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So the definition of Biblical Christian is that of one who never committed a crime against humanity.
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Did you vote for the creators of Abu Gahrib and Guantanamo, my always blameless friend?
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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anglagard
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Message 148 of 406 (490674)
12-07-2008 4:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
12-07-2008 12:12 AM

Re: Apprising The Clueless On The Eternal Perspective
Now that you mention that the Bible infallibly predicts the future, I am wondering if you have anything for once to say about Tyre and those fishing nets we have gone over here ad infinitum.
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Obviously Israel is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nearly everyone involved in setting up the current nation made it true.
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Edited by anglagard, : get rid of extraneous buz bashing sentence
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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anglagard
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Message 191 of 406 (490839)
12-09-2008 2:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 190 by Dawn Bertot
12-09-2008 1:51 AM

Re: read again
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You really dont get this do you. No one said you could not DO this or that but:
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Your judgement is nothing more than you expressing an opinion verse someone elses. While you may impose prison on someone who does not go by your standard, you are simply inconsistent because his opinion and right to carry out that act are just as valid as yours without a standard an absolute standard or right or wrong.
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But hey, believe whatever you want. You simply need to demonsrtatefrom a logical consistant standpoint why yours is better or more moral than is opinion or action. In other words what will you use as you justification. You cant appeal to humand reason, it will demonstrate your inconsistencies. You cant appeal to the animal kingdom, it will certainly demonstrate your position as inconsistent. Where will you turn for your justification of CONDEMNATION?
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Would not your judgment over which religion conveys such an absolute morality be every bit as relative, logically inconsistent, and completely subjective as anyone else?
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Besides, why aren't you in jail for stoning Wal-Mart shoppers for working on the sabbath as commanded in Leviticus? You wouldn't be like some kind of hypocrite or something would you?
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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anglagard
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Message 194 of 406 (490843)
12-09-2008 2:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 193 by Dawn Bertot
12-09-2008 2:10 AM

Re: read again
Bertot writes:
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AG writes:
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Would not your judgment over which religion conveys such an absolute morality be every bit as relative, logically inconsistent, and completely subjective as anyone else?
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Please let me respond to these others and I will try and get to yours, thanks
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I think it would also help if you properly represented the person who actually posted that statement.
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Edited by anglagard, : as is proper logically
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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