How will creationists react to the first human-chimp hybrid?

Did you miss the part about "the same mistakes"?Here. Let me show you. ERVs are "mistakes" too. ERV = endogenous retrovirus, a virus that inserts in the host genome.ERVs insert randomly into the host genome. An ERV locus shared by two species is evidence of descent from a common ancestor into whose germ line the original viral infection took place.This is true of chimps and humans. First miscegenation = misogyny, now interfertile = infertile.Juggs. If you don't know the meaning of a word, look it up.

*You* might look at it this way, I very much doubt anyone else will. Kind has no definition within biology, so any statements whose interpretation is dependent upon the definition of kind are unintelligible. Of course there are more differences than "just one fused chromosome," no one has said otherwise. You inquired about the chimp/human chromosome count discrepancy, and I explained it for you.--Percy

No, I'm a bit of a creationists so think God is using string theory propelling them apart causing the space between them to increase. I just thought string theory interesting like light is a wave energy and here is Peter Gariaev looking at wave based genetics. Its almost like our cell functions might well be driven by super string theory and not just chemical reactions not that wave based genetics is yet based on string theory.As far as the human genonome goes they don't really understand the genonome enough to be playing God. But that won't stop them like all those retro-viruses believed slipping out into the environment from transgenetic hybrid foodstuffs that are believed to be endangering the entire biosphere. If they don't really understand 98 percent of the genonome they should not be playing God.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++To ignore, or so poorly understand, the role of this 98% of the human genome is an appreciable error. Moreover, whether we correctly grasp the role of the genetic information represented by the known 2% of DNA is still in question--especially when the other 98% is presently terra incognita, unknown territoryThe initially bright promises of the creations of transgenetic research have actually turned out only dangerous hybrid foodstuffs that are extremely hazardous to the biosphere on which our very lives depend.How are we to transcend this condition of an abundance of flawed and dangerous experiments, where many inconsistent and hazardous results are caused by a lack of any proper understanding of DNA and a dramatic deficiency in grasping the foundational operating principles of the human genome?Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : Having a hard time getting my quoted links in. Edited by johnfolton, : This is my last attempt to get the links to show up. For some reason was taking my sources?Edited by johnfolton, : http://www.fractal.org/...ience-Technology/Peter-Gariaev.htm
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You could look at it all like chimps and humans like two galaxies inside a jar that are said not moving yet while the space between them is said to be increasing.

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*You* might look at it this way, I very much doubt anyone else will.

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No, I'm a bit of a creationists so think God is using string theory propelling them apart causing the space between them to increase. I just thought string theory interesting like light is a wave energy and here is Peter Gariaev looking at wave based genetics. Its almost like our cell functions might well be driven by super string theory and not just chemical reactions not that wave based genetics is yet based on string theory.

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As far as the human genonome goes they don't really understand the genonome enough to be playing God. But that won't stop them like all those retro-viruses believed slipping out into the environment from transgenetic hybrid foodstuffs that are believed to be endangering the entire biosphere. If they don't really understand 98 percent of the genonome they should not be playing God.

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To ignore, or so poorly understand, the role of this 98% of the human genome is an appreciable error. Moreover, whether we correctly grasp the role of the genetic information represented by the known 2% of DNA is still in question--especially when the other 98% is presently terra incognita, unknown territory

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The initially bright promises of the creations of transgenetic research have actually turned out only dangerous hybrid foodstuffs that are extremely hazardous to the biosphere on which our very lives depend.

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How are we to transcend this condition of an abundance of flawed and dangerous experiments, where many inconsistent and hazardous results are caused by a lack of any proper understanding of DNA and a dramatic deficiency in grasping the foundational operating principles of the human genome?Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Sorry, Johnfolton, I could find nothing I understood well enough to reply to, and much that lacked any connection to reality.--Percy

Yes, exactly. That's why I mentioned them. They are a bit of a serious giveaway. And there's quite a few of them. Sorry, 'interfertile' is not a particularly helpful term given its visual similarity to 'infertile', but sadly it's the correct one. I've made the same mistake before.So, just to repeat for thread clarity (given the many intervening OT posts...)

I understand most of my post never posted I had copied the article but whenever I pushed submit results all you got was about half of what I wrote. It was like parental control I could not send the whole post thru. I tried like how many times not sure if my computer had a bug.In short its like the creationists talk about the dividing of the marrow and the spirit and when people died in the old testament when they gave up the ghost they died. Its like this is a part of the inner workings Dr. Peter Gariaev is talking about how genetic engineers that the more they know the less they understand about the foundational inner workings of the genetic code.P.S. I'm not a conspiracy nut but never had this happen probably just a computer glitch and its not worth the effort to retry to bring in theoretical stuff but thought the wave genetics part interesting and Peter Gariaev has a ph D and questions hybrids because of the ignorance of the genetic engineers.---------------------------------------------------------------Paradoxically, however, the more success we have in such genetic and molecular biology technologies, the further we seem to be from understanding the actual foundational principles--the inner workings--of genetic codes.http://www.fractal.org/...ience-Technology/Peter-Gariaev.htm Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

It is the nature of all science and discovery that whenever a question is answered, even more questions will be able to be asked. Don't confuse this as an excuse for an argument from incredulity to have any hold - scientists don't claim to understand everything, or even individual subjects perfectly. All they claim is to have the most accurate model currently available, and a method of inquiry that ensures increasing accuracy over time in the modeling of the natural world.I honestly have no idea what this has to do with "dividing marrow and the spirit" or "giving up the ghost." And now an appeal to authority. A single person with a PhD and questions does not refute anything alone. And if you are even remotely suggesting that you had a "computer glitch" that prevented you from posting everything you typed because of the interference of "evilutionists," you are placed firmly in the "conspiracy nut" corner.Add to this the fact that you're citing a man who complains about the "scientific establishment" and you fit even better in this category. The "scientific establishment" is very receptive to being disproven...as long as you bring the actual evidence, and not unsubstantiated claims.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Come on mate....
Whether it is possible..
But your post was really very imaginary...

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Human Anatomy Online

I know it is off topic for me to mention this, but I serioualy cannot help myself. Here goes.This is awesome: Really, really awesome. Sorry for the interruption. I will go away now.

Given we have some new faces around, I thought I'd drag this out of obscurity and see if it has any more mileage.As a reminder, here's the opener again:

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There are several possible future experiments that challange conventional Western religious beliefs regarding the 'miracle of life' and the 'special' status of humans in creation:

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1) Successful human cloning
2) Successful creation of life from non-life
3) Successful breeding of human and chimpanzee/bononbo

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Concentrating on 3), would this be sufficent to demonstrate our 'obvious' family ties with our cousins? Would this be rather convincing evidence for humans and chimps being of one 'kind'? I would answer yes, but how would our creationists react to this news? Or would they simply deny the possibility of the succes of such an experiment?

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Following on from discussion at the Noah's Ark Volume thread.

"There are several possible future experiments"i think you've jumped the gun LOL But you get 10 points for enthusiasm Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

And I think you missed the explicit future tense in the thread title.Is this a bury-my-head-in-the-sand-and-hope-it-never-happens reply?Or are you willing to stick your neck out and declare that it cannot possibly happen because chimps and humans are 'obviously' of different kinds?If you are not so bold, then if it did happen, what would be your thoughts?

being completely honest here cavediver, im not sure exactly what i'd think about itI believe anything could be possible with enough intervention and manipulation, but it doesnt necessarily mean that it would also happen naturally without the same interventionso lets just say they manage to do it in a lab, I would still have a firm belief in God. Im 100% convinced of that. But what i might reconsider is the interpretation put on genesis...we've got things wrong in the past (7 literal days for example)but i'd still rather cross that bridge when it comes rather then put my faith through the wringer on a speculation.