Noah's Ark volume calculation

And then, of course, in order to get the biological diversity present on earth today, you would need evolution to do it all in, what, four thousand years?You want 127 kinds to expand into 24,000 species, in 4 thousand years? Not even biologists propose an evolutionary period so intensly rapid.Of course, since god did it all, no problems, right?Why can't you guys just leave the flood as it is, a story? Why do you have to insist on making the impossible actual history?

i was tried to write it like that lollower sea levels enabled the Papua new guinea people to walk to australia....just as some ocean researches suggest that ridges aided animal migration.

in 7,000 odd years humans have managed to reproduce a vast variety of nationalities...why couldnt animals?scientists have researched human genes extensively. By comparing human genetic patterns around the earth, they found clear evidence that all humans have a common ancestor, a source of the DNA of all people who have ever lived, including each of us. In 1988, Newsweek magazine presented those findings in a report entitled “The Search for Adam and Eve.” Those studies were based on a type of mitochondrial DNA, genetic material passed on only by the female. Reports in 1995 about research on male DNA point to the same conclusion”that “there was an ancestral ”Adam,’ whose genetic material on the [Y] chromosome is common to every man now on earth,” Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

Nationalities are artificial contructs created by humans to separate ourselves into groups.Tell me, what is the difference between a Swede and a Dane? An Iraqi from an Israeli? An Egyptian from a Lybian? An american from a brit? Their cultural heritage. They are all homo sapiens, and there is no substantive genetic difference.There are black people, for instance, who's DNA is closer to some white peoples' DNA than other white peoples' DNA.Further, the flood was supposedly 4,000 years ago, right? So all the evolution has to have occured in 4,000 years, not 7,000.Have you done the math? 127 kinds into 24,000 species, over 4,000 years? Off the top of my head, that's several speciation events per day.Of course, its worse than that. Not all kinds would have survived the flood. Most insects would have perished (if not all). 60% of the species on earth are insects. So you would have at most 10ish kinds having survived become 600,000 species in 4,000 years.Every generation would have to be a new species in the case of insects. Evolution does not work that fast. A mutation rate that great would kill life.Which is why you are stuck with god did it. So please, stop trying to scientifically legitimate the flood and ark. It simply isn't possible in the slightest degree.

Except that Mitochondrial Eve lived about 140000 years ago and Y-chromosome Adam about 60000 years ago. The Ancestor's Tale, page 54Edited by bluescat48, : capitalizaton

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Dude, this is common knowledge. TWO HUNDRED MILLION YEARS AGO!You do know that this is the Mesozoic era (Jurassic period), don't you?Noah was not around then.Humans were not around then.Mammals around at that time included Morganucodon but not in any way human, primate or even placental mammals.How is this evidence that there was a flood? What do you think you link shows? A quick search indicate that humans arrived on P.N.G. about 60k years ago (so no Noachian time frame) during an ice age when the sea level was lower (so no flood, then).Your point remains unsupported and in fact refuted by the available evidence.

but through DNA analysis, the nationality can be identified...we know that it could be an asian person, or it could be an african, or it could be a Caucasian for exampleso we are 1 species of great varietywould you say that zoo's contain most of the representative species of all land animals ?

thats debatable though

That's not their nationality though, is it? It's their "race", they're still all homo sapiens.

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Um, no. Perhaps you don't understand the term "nationality"? Nationality refers to which nation you come from. France? Germany? Japan? the US? Canada?You are talking about ethnicity, if nothing else. Ethnicity is also largely an artificial construct.The differences between humans is almost entirely phenotypic. Not genotypic. Some black people have DNA that is more closely related to white people than it is to other black people. Actually, we are 1 species of little genetic diversity. Largely thanks to a bottleneck near-extinction event 70,000 years ago. No, I wouldn't. But then, I'm not interested in 'kind'. The largest zoo seems to be the Berlin zoo. With 14,000 animals and 1,400 different species I'd say that's fairly accurate. But 1400 out of 1.3 million species is only .001% of all species on earth. Since 60% of all species are insects, and most insects I'm aware of require land, the zoo might have a slightly better representative group of organisms. Let's be generous and say that the Berlin zoo has .002% of all species. That is, 1400 of 650,000 species.Let's do some more number crunching. You said only about 127 kinds would be necessary to produce 24,000 species. That's .005% of the end number.If a zoo, which actually feeds and houses a huge number of animals (more than the city I grew up in!) only has a small number of species, then the ark and flood just gets even more silly.Humans have little genetic diversity after 70,000 years. And yet you need only 127 'kinds' to produce immense genetic diversity in 4,000 years?How daft to you think we are?

The point is Peg that many (most?) of the "creation science" organizations no longer define "kind" as species.If you have "kind" as species you have waaaaaaaaaaay too many animals on the ark for it to work without a miracle or three.

Amen likely too floating mats of vegetation in the southern hemisphere given biblically it was summer thru much of the flood in the southern hemisphere. It explains why no hoofed creature native to australia only those with claws survived. right? With natural selection having to adapt to a quite different earth after the flood with God overseeing it all why it happened in less than 5,500 years. right? Racoons, kangaroo's a whole host of creatures according to the bible survived off the ark if only hoofed, fowl, and creeping creatures were primarily on the ark. right? Maybe you should read the bible for what it actually is saying instead of making up stuff, etc...P.S. Its like Ned said only a few kind that developed into multitudes of the species that now inhabit the earth. The ark was more a cattle, fowl, the creeping creatures kind floating barn, akjv genesis 7:23 right? the fish, snakes, earth worms, reptiles, coral, trees, whales, dolphins, creatures with claws all survived on floating vegetation or some like walrus, seals, otter just swam out the flood (lots of food and fresh water), etc....The fossil record is more or less those that perished. right? but not all perished due stuff floats, larvae in the bark of trees, insects frozen in all the glaciers formed by the deluge in the northern hemisphere then unthawed after the flood causing insects to help repopulate the earth, and the creatures coming off the ark that helped repopulate the earth. Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Trying to explain Noah's flood scientifically is like trying to scientifically explain the evidence for Santa Clause and his toy factory at the North Pole.They do not exist, never have. People have been hunting for Noah's ark for hundreds of years with no success.Creationist attempt to explain the diversification of animal life in the 6000 years since the supposed deluge would require the super evolution of life that is genetically and biologically impossible.What hypocrisy. How can creationists say on one hand "It is scientifically impossible for evolution to occur in the millions of years scientists have proposed"? Or as Ken Ham eloquently puts it, "The idea of millions of years of evolution is just the evolutionists' story about the past".Then, they turn around and say that only a handful of animals on the ark genetically diversified in less than 6000 years to produce hundreds of thousands of species that exist today.You cannot have it both ways. They not only believe in evolution, they believe in a super sped up version of biological evolution. Creationists are so determined to keep their beliefs intact that they are willing to forgo common sense and logic to do so as well as contradicting their own claims against evolution in the process.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
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Untrue. They used boats. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?

The only thing debatable is the actual time frame the 100000 could be between 50000 & 150000. There is no debate on the mitochondrial evidence.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969