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Peg Member (Idle past 4950 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
hi NN,
my understanding is that the biblical “kinds” seem to constitute divisions of life-forms wherein each division allows for cross-fertility. If so, then the boundary between “kinds” is to be drawn at the point where fertilization ceases to occur. ie a cow and horse cannot breed hence they are different 'kinds' i dont know who or how the meaning of an animal 'kind' has been changed, can you give me an example?
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3121 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
hi NN, my understanding is that the biblical “kinds” seem to constitute divisions of life-forms wherein each division allows for cross-fertility. If so, then the boundary between “kinds” is to be drawn at the point where fertilization ceases to occur. ie a cow and horse cannot breed hence they are different 'kinds' i dont know who or how the meaning of an animal 'kind' has been changed, can you give me an example? Than this "kind" you are talking about is what most biologists would define as a species. A species is defined as organisms than can interbreed and produce offspring that themselves can interbreed. If this is true than the # of animals on the ark to repopulate the whole Earth and produce the diversity of today would not be in the thousands but rather the hundreds of thousands. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2533 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
450x180 is, if you actually read the article, most likely an exageration. It gives other sizes.
Further, what of the HMS Orlando? The largest wooden ship ever built that we have confirmational evidence for (we cannot know if the ark was as large as claimed by the bible, nor can we know the true size of the treasure ships, as no plans or remants from which to make a guess on size exist).
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Peg Member (Idle past 4950 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
i really dont know for sure but its something i'll certainly be looking into
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Larni Member (Idle past 184 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
but perhaps back in noahs day, with a much lower sea level and much more land and continents closer together, animals were free to roam anywhere on the earth But this was not the case in Noahician times. 5000 years ago the continents were in exactly the same place as they are now. A large land mass like Panaea has not been the case for hundreds of millions of years. Not within the biblical time frame. Why is this not apparent to you? Why do you beleive that the continents 5000 years ago where any different to what they are now?
if the story of Noah is true, then obviously all the animals he collected could be found inhis geographic location You say 'if'! Your unsumountable problem is that there is no evidence to suggest that the Noachain story is true. Remember: this is a science forum; you need to back up what you say with evidence. You cannot say 'if' and then continue the sentance as if it is a priori true. This is a logical fallacy.
that happened in the last 4-5 thousand years so it in itself proves that sea levels must have been lower then they once were. What you are doing is asserting your position without providing evidence. You are saying (without any evidence at all) that you are right. I'm not saying here that you are wrong: I'm asking you to provide evidence to suggest you are right. Do please, provide evidence of humans walking from P.N.G. to Oz 4-5 thousand years ago. You have fallen into the habit of many creationists attempting to debate in a science forum: you assert with 'ifs' and 'perhaps' and fail to provide evidence for your claim. I can just as easily assert that Enki created humans by mixing his sperm with dirt to create humans. After all, if he did create us he must have had the ability to do so, and because he was around before the xian god he must have done it first, right? This is exactly what you are doing. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3121 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Peg writes: and back to the point of how the Papua New Guinea people walked to australia... that happened in the last 4-5 thousand yearsso it in itself proves that sea levels must have been lower then they once were. The closest distance between Papua New Guinea and Australia is across the Torres Strait which is about 93 miles(150 km) wide. The depth across the majority of the strait is from 0-30 feet (as seen here) and the stait is scattered with reefs and over 274 large and small islands some of which are still inhabited. I doubt that people walked ALL the way across from Australia and Papua New Guinea but most certainly they could have migrated across in stages with boats without the whole sea level of the entire Pacific Ocean Basin having to be lowered. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3121 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Additionally, archeological, linguistic and mitrochondrial DNA evidence support the fact that a little over 1000 years ago ancient Polynesians circumnavigated over 2000 miles of the Pacific ocean in double-hulled canoes to settle in the Hawaiian islands. This cross-ocean journey has been retraced numerous times. For example one journey was by the Hokule`a, an outrigger canoe that sailed from Hawaii to Tahiti without the use of modern instruments. Some have even voyaged all the way to New Zealand as you can read here: Voyaging Canoes Set Sail
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
You were wrong about the Biblical lands being in the southern hemisphere Never said the biblical lands were in the southern hemisphere. What would that have to do with the flood? If you calculate Oct 17 the 40 day flood thru November which is one of the coldest months of the year. This is how all them glaciers formed suddenly all those quick frozen fossils found in the northern hemisphere. It was not till approximately late april early may that the mountain top peaks became visible. right? In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - FrozenMammoths.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ What date does winter officially start and what date does it end? In reality, the three-month period associated with the coldest average temperatures typically begins somewhere in late November or early December in the Northern Hemisphere. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2006100404434... Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given. Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
This is how all them glaciers formed suddenly all those quick frozen fossils found all over the world. There is about the same chance of this idea of yours being accurate as there is of the Easter bunny laying colored eggs, i.e., none. Seriously, do you really believe this stuff that you post, or are you just putting us on? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5611 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
There is about the same chance of this idea of yours being accurate as there is of the Easter bunny laying colored eggs, i.e., none. Seriously, do you really believe this stuff that you post, or are you just putting us on? The bible is inerrant the fossils found quick frozen has been found in the northern hemisphere. right? P.S. Its not like easter bunnies are planting these fossils its just that they are there a warm tropical diet within a quickly frozen fossil. right? In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Frozen Mammoths
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
The bible is inerrant
The bible is anything BUT inerrant.
the fossils found quick frozen has been found in the northern hemisphere. right?
In the northern hemisphere, yes, but far from quickly frozen, though nowhere is this mentioned in the bible. Oh and those aren't fossils. Edited by Huntard, : Thanks to Ned, now I don't look like a loony I hunt for the truth
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
johnfolton writes: the fossils found quick frozen has been found in the northern hemisphere. right? Wrong. Those are not fossils. Fossils:Fossil - Wikipedia Types of fossils(preservation), from Wiki:
quote: Try following this logic, *Something dies and fossilizes over time, that is a fossil. *Something gets trapped under ice and freezes, that is not a fossil. "All great truths begin as blasphemies" "I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks "I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2533 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
Not the best article on the hypothesis, but it's the Lake Toba supervolcanic eruption.
Toba catastrophe theory - Wikipedia. There's quite possibly a thread about this somewhere on the board, and it certainly has been discussed before. Look for those for more information.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Did you read the 2nd sentence of that link?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
No I hadn't, but the reply was more to the fact that Mammoths were found in the northern hemisphere, all that other stuff is just plain wrong, I think I'll go edit my reply though, people might think me a loony, thanks for pointing it out.
I hunt for the truth
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