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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
The following post by Peg was off topic http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=1&t=4...
I would like to open a topic to discuss this and other posts that many believe show causabilty of such a flood versus the simple coincident nature of these data.
AdminNosy: I've copied the linked post here to make this more complete
Your totally right, its pretty pointless using a 'what if' as a basis for any sort of arguement... so i take it back so i'm going to offer some of the strange phenomenon that is found around the earth that makes the flood plausible 1. Fish fossils on mountain ranges.This tells us that at some time in the past, there WAS water covering much of the earth... from the dessert regions of Lebanon to the driest of places like Australia. In the outback in Australia there are desserts covered in marine fossils which tell us that there was water there... a lot of water. http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/500/550/551/abisaad/ 2. The Pleistocene Extinction! Atlantisquest.com The logical answer is that it came with the rapid change that occurred at the time of the Flood. With the removal of the insulating watery canopy, the polar regions were suddenly plunged into a deep freeze, trapping animals that then lived far north of their present habitat. The proof that this was a sudden event, and not something that occurred over a long period of time, is the fact that even the green grass they were eating was quickly deepfrozen in their mouths and stomachs, where it has been discovered in modern times. 3. Creatures from the Jurassic Periods have been found with animals from Cretaceous.You dont think its even remotely possible that perhaps scientists just might have their interpretations wrong on some things. BBC NEWS | UK | England | Gloucestershire | Ice-Age rhinoceros remains found 4. SeamountsThere is an estimated 30,000 seamounts across the globe, but only a few have ever been studied. These are mountains under water.If the world was indeed flooded , then surely the fact that thousands of mountains are found under water, make the flood plausible. for me, someone who belives in the bible account, this is evidence of somethign greater...making the flood plausible and very possible The final fact for all christians to remember is that Jesus Christ himself spoke of the flood as a real historical event. He was with God and therefore would have witnessed it from the heavens...its not likely he would endorse a myth and teach it to people if he knew it wasnt true.
Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix typo/spelling it topic title: "coinicdences" to "coincidences" There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
The late Pleistocene extinction is uncharacteristic of other mass extinction events. Extinction takes place at different times on different continents, but always targeting a specific kind of animal. From the following article:
Evolution: Change: Deep Time What's more, climate change alone probably did not cause it. Over about 40,000 years, 200 or more groups of large herbivores are wiped out. With their prey absent from the food chain, many carnivores and scavengers also die off. Temperature fluctuates throughout the last ice ages, but the fossil record does not indicate an unusual concentration of death among smaller animals, plants, or marine creatures, at least some of which would likely have been affected by climate change. Instead, the loss of very large fauna almost always coincides with the arrival of humans to a continent. This suggests the possibility of over-hunting by early human settlers. The point is that the pleistocene extinction is not a sinlge event but an event of over 40000 years. No flood lasts that long. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
scientific Flood evidence Please produce some as I have never seen any flood "evidence" on hear at all only useless myths, maybe's, ifs and attempts to bring out one problem by providing several others in the process. ie Water from the earth's mantle or a water canopy. The creos' evidence is rejected due to no evidence . There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Uncontested Science Fact #1: The mountains were at some period, formed by some means which requires that at some period the surface of planet earth was smoother than is observed today. Uncontested Science Fact #2: There was a time of significant flooding on the planet. Logical Conclusion: If the planet's surface was smoother/less mountainous, the volume of water observed in the deep oceans would be such that far more, if not all of the smoother planet would have been flooded unless a significantly greater volume of water was in the form of atmospheric vapor than is observed today. One problem, by the time the earth cooled sufficiently to allow the atmospheric water to condense forming the oceans, there would have been orogeny going on. The plates would have neen moving, building mountains at the boundaries. when the water condensed forming the oceans, alternating heat & cold due to the desolving of greenhouse gases such as CO2 causing icing alternating with global warming, changing the level of the oceans causing floods in lowlying areas. This would have continued right to the present. Mountain building, erosion, cooling, warming etc. There have been many times that large areas of the earth were flooded. The point is, was there a global flood within the last 10000 years. Given that plate tectonics is an ongoing affair, it would be unlikely that at any time within the last 10000 years was the level of the mountains was low enough for the amount of water on the earths surface to cover the entire earth. No evidence has been found to show that this has occurred. Edited by bluescat48, : subscript There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
"the water came out of the air" = "to add water to the system" Except that the water in the air is part of the system coming from the land water through evaporation. The amount, even if all the water in the atmosphere were to condense, wouldn't raise the level anywhere near enough to cover the mountains. What RRhain was stating was adding water to the system from some other source There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Some of the present ocean water would have been either sub terrain or as vapor as per the Biblical model. Either way the problem creates new problems. The atmosphere can hold only so much vapor, if as some have stated that a vapor canopy was in existence then there would have been no life to save in the ark since this canopy would have raised the earth's temperature to a situation similar to Venus, too hot for life. The alternative, subterranean water is implausible for all subterranean water is locked up molecularly in minerals. Separating this and bringing it to the surface would not occur as liquid water but as superheated steam which would have boiled the oceans and poached the inhabitants of the ark. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
ASV Gen 7:19-20 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Where does it say the mountains were lowered? Edited by bluescat48, : addition There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Maybe it is just that they figure that if they continue with their drivel that eventually the scientific community will get so sick of their idiocy that the scientific community will accept their drivel as science just to shut the creos up
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
No I haven't forgotten its just that my sarcasm creeps through every now & then. "My insanity is the only thing that keeps me sane." W T Young, 1993
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Let's bring this to a head.
We have 3 possibilities: Natural FloodSupernatural flood Supernatural guided natural flood. Natural: flood is implausible since by natural means there would not be enough water and if mountains were lowered by natural means, then those on the ark die from the tsunamis formed with the reverse orogeny. Supernatural: God (or some other supernatural entity) does everything except building and loading the ark such as bring the animals from all over the earth to Noah, creates enough water for the ark to work then reverses the process to bring everything back to normal. Supernatural guided natural flood: impossible since the problems with a natural flood would be the same, just have a supernatural reason for such. Therefore there was no natural flood and the supernatural flood exists only for those who accept that supernatural events occur. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
” Dinosaurs in the Midwest died by and are buried in volcanic ash and are bones, not necessarily fossils. Moreover, they usually are not found very deep, in fact near the surface! And they died 65 million years ago? HA! Hardly. A few thousand years at best, and most likely a few hundred years AFTER the Flood . . ..After 65 million years the bones would be in the sea (as well as the entire continent would erode away . ..but plate tectonics would push them back up at 4cm/year . .so everything would be OK). It is obvious that you have not studied even basic earth science. Where did you get your education? From Ham? Hovind? or the discombobolated discovery institute? where fiction & myth are advanced as science. Edited by bluescat48, : typo There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
unable to accept Archie's divinely inspired and flawless theory (they're just infindels anyway......) Archie is blinded the the myth that Genesis is inspired. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Because of their premise, those people (namely YECs) are constantly questioning scientific evidence- which is good- but then they take it too far by asserting that it is impossible for those evolutionists/other scientists to come to a correct conclusion. Except that they don't question it, they (YECS) simply reject it since it conflicts with their fairytales. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
It is a known fact that in many cases these and other animals choked on volcanic ash prior to being buried in it. True, but it in no way assumes that it occurred any more recently that 65 million years ago. Your flood myth doesn't hold water. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
There is much more evidence that scientists are again ignoring regarding the demise of Dino et.al.
Then show some with scientific evidence. This is a science topic.
It is certainly not "my" flood.... and yes, there was lots of water. But nowhere near enough. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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