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fallacycop
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Message 19 of 55 (490478)
12-05-2008 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Blue Jay
12-04-2008 8:31 PM


Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
But, since we can make people that are "less fit" survive and reproduce, we are not allowing natural selection to remove unfitness from our populations.
What are you talking about? People die premature deaths all the time for many different reasons, and the ones that survive to reproductive age do not all reproduce at the same rate, if at all. Evolution is alive and well, thank you.

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fallacycop
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Message 20 of 55 (490479)
12-05-2008 12:31 AM
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12-04-2008 8:52 PM


Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
In essense, we as the human species are commencing artificial selection on ourselves, much like we do when we selectively breed domesticated animals and plants to produce food and other resources that we need.
We've been doing that for a long time. Sexual selection is one instance.

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Message 23 of 55 (490490)
12-05-2008 2:12 AM
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12-05-2008 1:55 AM


I stand by what I said. Evolution is alive and well, thank you. The fact that we have changed the enviroment to such an extent that old evolutionary pressures do not have the same impact that they used to have does not mean that evolution stops. New evolutionary trands will replace the old ones.

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fallacycop
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Message 31 of 55 (490582)
12-06-2008 12:52 AM
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12-05-2008 8:15 PM


given the explosion of our population
That's the most important point of your post. If everybody lives long lives and reproduce, we end up with a population explosion which cannot persist forever (The Earth is afterall finite). Something's got to give. Be patient, and you are bond to see evolution comming back with vengence.
But you are right. Human evolution has stopped, but for a different reason

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Message 37 of 55 (490669)
12-07-2008 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Blue Jay
12-06-2008 10:00 AM


Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
Do you disagree with me that there are many "unfit" phenotypes that are persisting and reproducing in our populations as a direct result of medical, sanitational and agricultural practices? Clearly, these cannot be the result of natural selection.
Define unfit. Does the fact that primates are unable to produce their own vitamine c make them unfit?

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fallacycop
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Message 39 of 55 (490706)
12-07-2008 11:12 AM
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12-07-2008 4:35 AM


Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
People with dawn syndrome don't reproduce. Many severe disabilities will also prevent reproduction. You didn't answer my question about the fact that you and me are not able to produce vitamine c. Are we unfit?

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fallacycop
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Message 48 of 55 (490797)
12-08-2008 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Taz
12-07-2008 2:38 PM


Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
First of all, some females with down syndrome CAN reproduce, given that the male counterpart is normal. I can't say I've heard of a case where a down syndrome male has been able to reproduce. Anyway, the offsprings have a very high chance of having down syndrome as well.
First of all, I didn't say that they are sterile. I said they don't reproduce, which is close enought to truth for the discussion here.
Many severe disabilities will also prevent reproduction.
While this is true, the same can be said about severe disabilities that don't prevent reproduction.
Which is why I used the word 'many'. A vague statement desrves a vague response.
It's an inconvienience that primates have apparently been able to overcome.
You didn't answer the question either.

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fallacycop
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Message 50 of 55 (490801)
12-08-2008 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Huntard
12-07-2008 3:10 PM


Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
That said (and you have my permission to call me heartless), I don't want them to reproduce.
I'm not going to call you Heartless, for I see it in the exact same way.
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