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Author Topic:   Can science refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt?
ICANT
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Message 177 of 310 (486314)
10-18-2008 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Straggler
10-18-2008 11:11 AM


Re: Science and Atheism
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes:
If such a thing as God exists then to be the only sort of God that I could have any respect for he would have to be the sort of God that let me make the choices I have made with the tools he has provided me with without reference or fear of him.
But that is exactly what you have done.
You used your intellegence and made the decision God was not worthy of your respect, belief and support.
He didn't stop you, He didn't hit you with a bolt of lightning and get your attention. He let you make your own decision.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 267 of 310 (491247)
12-12-2008 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Stile
12-12-2008 10:25 AM


Re: If there's no difference, then it doesn't matter
Hi Stile,
Stile writes:
Very true. It's quite possible that God makes sure all tests come out inconclusive. Again, this isn't a problem. If there's no difference between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't... we're left with the conclusion that it doesn't matter if you believe or not.
The statement you made in this paragraph is the best I have read in your many posts.
"If there's no difference between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't...we're left with the conclusion that it doesn't matter if you believe or not."
You are refering to answered prayer I assume.
But if you apply it to the two individuals you hit the nail on the head.
If there is no difference between a person who says he is a beliver and a person who does not believe, then you are right to conclude that the person claiming to be a believer is not a born again believer.
Jesus tells us: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27
A born again child of God follows Jesus, there is no room to do otherwise.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 274 of 310 (491393)
12-15-2008 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Stile
12-15-2008 7:53 AM


Re: What's the difference?
Hi Stile,
Stile writes:
What is it that a believer can have that a non-believer cannot? I have yet to see any valid answer for that question.
Eternal life.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 292 of 310 (491592)
12-17-2008 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Stile
12-17-2008 3:28 PM


Re: Reasonable doubt,
Hi Stile,
Stile writes:
I can show I exist. (I'll take it you'll take this for granted?)
I don't take anything for granted.
Somebody proposed that we are brains in a jar and everything we think is real is being fed into our brains as an experiment by a higher intelligent group of beings than we are.
I can't prove that is not the case.
But we are carrying on a conversation anyway. In Message 288 you made the following statement.
Stile writes:
Add in the fact that on a world-wide scale, no group of those who claim to talk with God live in a different manner from those who do not claim to talk with God.
God must not be telling them anything very interesting or new. Perhaps the God they're talking to is only telling them things they already know because they're talking to themselves since God doesn't exist.
That is a very big assertion, "no group of those who claim to talk with God live in a different manner from those who do not claim to talk with God".
You care to give some data to back up that assertion?
I am just as sure my God exists as I am that I exist.
One month before my tenth birthday I met Jesus and received Him as my personal savior. I ask for eternal life and received it because He said He would give it to me if I asked.
When I was 14 I was sitting in the rec room at school drinking a coke when a young lady came in and asked if the seat next to me was taken. It was empty so she sit down. I got her a coke and pack of crackers and she explained to me that she was making her boyfriend mad. He was looking on from the ag building. In this ten minute encounter God impressed upon me that this lady was to be my wife.
We were married after graduation on June 3, 1957. She is sitting in the family room as I am typing this message. There is no other woman on the face of the earth that would have put up with me in my younger years. You want me to believe that was an accident.
I am now 69 years old and I have never missed a meal that I did not choose to do so. I have never needed anything that I did not have or was not able to obtain. I believe I have those things because God provided them as He said He would do in His Word.
I retired in December 2003 and came back to the states from Grand Cayman. I bought a house and had to have a sizable mortgage on it. I had dedicated my life to God and did not really know how I would pay for it as my retirement would not be enough.
In September of 04 a hurricane hit Grand Cayman and my old boss I had worked for while there ask me to come back and repair/replace the damaged cabinets that I had put in while employed there.
Before I went I knew what I would receive for the year it would take and that would not be near enough to pay off my mortgage after expenses.
I made a bargain with God. I said Lord if I can make enough money to pay off my mortgage so my wife will have a roof over her head if something happens to me, I will go anywhere you want me to go. Well to make a long story short the second day I was on the Island a gentleman heard I was on island and called and asked me to drop by.
I did he gave me a job that was totally unexpected that was completed before my old boss was even halfway ready for me to do his work. That job paid off my mortgage. (I am not talking chump change either)
When the job was completed I came back to the states and within a couple of months, and no effort on my part a struggling church called and asked me to come and preach for them.
That is where I am at today.
You want to tell me all that is just an accident.
If you drop by for a properly cooked steak one day and have a couple of months to spend I will tell you the rest of the story as these are just the highlights.
You are welcome to all the doubts you want to have just don't tell me I should have doubts.
Now you may never believe in God here on earth.
You made a statement in an earlier post that we would never know beyond reasonable doubt.
If God exists you will know for a certainty that He does.
I do know one thing science has not prove beyond a reasonable doubt must less all reasonable doubt that God does not exist to me. If it is going to it better hurry I am running out of time.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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