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Author Topic:   Bart Ehrman on the existence of Christ
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Message 44 of 63 (491662)
12-19-2008 3:09 AM
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12-19-2008 2:42 AM


Re: Is it possible?
I haven't heard that one. It seems pretty unlikely, to the point where I would be surprised if a serious scholar bothered to spend much time on it.

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Message 46 of 63 (491672)
12-19-2008 9:24 AM
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12-19-2008 8:38 AM


Re: Here is a link on it:
On a forum dedicated to "alternative views", and a case based on similarities in their lives which turn out not to match under close examination.
I think that proves my point. Why would a serious scholar waste his time with something like that ?

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Message 49 of 63 (491683)
12-19-2008 12:25 PM
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12-19-2008 11:35 AM


Re: Kill the messenger, don't reply to the specifics.
I've given adequate answers to what you actually posted. We don't argue against links here. If you want to discuss specifics, then provide them.
And I didn't see any indication that either of the pages you linked to had anything to do with Josephus writing any part of the New Testament.

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Message 51 of 63 (491691)
12-19-2008 2:38 PM
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12-19-2008 2:16 PM


Re: Who is arguing?
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I'm just saying there are people who have argued this and that (such as Josephus wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John plus the NT writings of Paul), i.e., that Josephus and Paul were one person.
And I've pointed out that your only example is on a forum for "fringe" ideas and it didn't fare well even there.
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if you have something that opposes such a position please point it out (but don't give me something that squashes the discussion -- like it is an "alternative view," that doesn't hack it with me).
You seem to be very confused. If all you want to do is note that the idea is out there and point to examples then you are hardly inviting a detailed discussion - which would not be on topic in this thread anyway. The responses you have got have been appropriate to what you posted. If you want a more serious discussion then you should start a new thread and put forward the case that the Gospels plus the Pauline Epistles were written by Josephus. Although you ought to find a source which makes a decent case first.
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Cascioli, for example, has claimed that Josephus is unreliable in certain respects and that Jesus Christ was John of Gamala (in Josephus).
Of course Josephus is unreliable in some respects. The rest I don't know about, but I doubt that there is much evidence (that could decide it either way).
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I mention Holbach because, as you may know, in his book, System of Nature, he claimed for reasons of personal safety that it was authored by someone else.
In other words, neither of them endorse the idea that Josephus wrote any of the NT, and they are not relevant to your original question.

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Message 56 of 63 (491712)
12-20-2008 9:23 AM
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12-20-2008 8:33 AM


Re: Who is arguing?
Cascioli's obscure and doesn't seem to have published anything of importance.
Holbach was famous (although probably less so these days) but to the best of my knowledge his work is not much cited.
I would be surprised if there were that many people now who have read either, let alone both.
The fact that this is a discussion forum means that you are certainly permitted to start a new thread to discuss a new subject. It does not mean that the every thread is a free-for-all.
I also note that for someone who is "skeptical" of the idea you seem to be curiously compelled to attack anyone who points out that it seems to be a crank idea with no serious evidential support.

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Message 58 of 63 (491716)
12-20-2008 10:15 AM
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12-20-2008 10:03 AM


Re: Now I'm arguing.
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PaulK,
Maybe you could buy a mirror (or if you have one, look into it once in a while).
And so we have yet another baseless attack.
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After you have actually taken the time to read Cascioli and Holbach you may be in a position to call me someone who is "...curiously compelled to attack anyone who points out that it seems to be a crank idea with no serious evidential support." I simply presented an idea ABOUT AND RELATED TO THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD that you have chosen to attack. If you don't want to discuss it (the idea I presented), then why did you respond? And, of course, there is the age old question, What Is Truth?
Since you yourself have admitted that neither Cascioli nor Holbach endorsed the idea you are supposedly discussing them, reading their work is not relevant. Let me point out that the only relevant link you have supplied so far simply confirmed my answer to the original question.
So we see that you are yet again attacking people solely because they dare to - accurately - criticise a proposition that you claim to be skeptical of.

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Message 61 of 63 (491731)
12-20-2008 12:43 PM
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12-20-2008 11:57 AM


Re: Now I'm arguing.
As you wish.

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